October 19th, 2012 - Julie-909449 said:
I attended many Latin Masses when I was young. Bear in mind, I was a small child but I had no understanding of what was going on. Jesus spoke in Aramaic and a lot is lost in translation. Latin is a translation. Latin has been translated into English and Spanish and I would assume more is lost, I wonder what I have missed. And I have to point out that Peter wasn't Roman.
September 2nd, 2010 - Thomas-620573 said:
I am open and have occasionally attended a traditional Latin Mass. I do not have to have the Mass in Latin, but I sure would like to see a much greater reverence at the local parish Mass on Sunday. Sometimes I feel like my greatest challenge is to worship in spite of the liturgical abuses I see every week.
March 8th, 2010 - Dee Dee-481644 said:
This is for Gabriela and Aaron...
Ganriela, it would be a good idea for you to research the Tridentine mass. The Novus Ordo mass is not said the same at all. Actually, next to nothing is the same. Also, one side of the missal is in Latin and the other side of it is in English to follow along. A lot of people don't know that language and it's not widely taught anyhow. That is why there are English words on the other side of the missal to follow. The mass really is fabulous.
No one knows what will happen to their neighbor when they die and no one is to judge. Also, it was predicted that satan would enter the temple of God and who can disagree with that? Also, I would never talk ill of a priest and do not condone such things no matter what mass I attend. They are all men of God and if we feel that one is doing wrong, we should pray to Christ (with humility and charity) to guide his religious and respect all Catholic priests. In my opinion, that is by far the most important calling and needs to be respected by all.
A lot of people go to mass with good intentions and we are not to judge others. There are a lot of beautiful things that you will see if you choose to get involved and research things with the Traditional Latin mass. There really are some great people attending the Tridentine mass too. Don't underestimate yourself or anyone else.
If you find some time, you might want to grab a few books by TAN publishers and check things out. You will like what you learn. I do mean that with all sincerity and mean no harm to anyone with this post.
With all sincerity, best wishes to you!!
Aaron, please don't forget that we are not to judge others either. I attend the same mass as you and firmly believe that it is the entire truth, but I have to answer for myself when I die. I am just grateful that I know of the mass and have the privilege of attending it and we should all try to do what is right, but no one knows what's waiting for them on their death bed either. We just have to continue to pray and trust in God.
February 1st, 2010 - Gabriela-421689 said:
Aaron, so if I don't go to the Traditional Latin Mass I'm not attending the real thing? Mass, is Mass. doesn't mean I can't be reverent and worship Jesus in the Eucharist in a Mass that's in my language. I don't feel that I am misguided or lost in the "new" Mass. The TLM is beautiful but I like going to Mass in my language.
March 21st, 2008 - Gerald-283546 said:
I am about the youngest age group who still remembers the beauty of the Mass before Vatican II. The solemnity, humilty, respect, beauty, biblicality, music, precision, poetry, smell, and visual effects of the Tridentine Mass were so superior to what we have today that there is really no comparison.
Then, after VII, during the period when I was an acolyte (altar boy) and choir member, there was an English translation (accurate) of the Tridentine Mass and we still did the Prayers at the Foot of the Altar, etc. I think the main changes besides English were the priest facing the congregation and the addition of the old testament reading and prayer of the faithful; oh yes and the much reviled "Kiss of Peace." But really it was prety close to a Tridentine Mass and very beautiful. I think it was in the spirit of VII ecept they went a little too far with the English over Latin, but at least the translation was good. This lasted about 3 years I think...late 60s.
Then, was it about 1970 or so? we got the watered down version of today with a really rotten English Translation. I do miss the older versions.
However, I do not concur with those who think the current version is somehow invalid. The essence is still there even of the accidence has changed for the worse. The Mass is the Mass: we have a vlaid priesthood, the words of institution, the intent, etc. I mostly go to Novus Ordo Masses because that is what is going on in my parish and in the parishes I visit. It is valid, because the Magisterium says it is valid, although normally poorly executed.
I have been to Novus Ordo Masses done in Latin as Vatican II intended, and it is very beautiful. Of course, that may in part be because the priest celebrating it was respectful and reverent, as were the members of the congregation. Oh, and the choir was singing Palestrina...ecstasy! (It is the irreverence of the modern Masses that really irks me. I mean, Peter, James and John fell on their faces when the saw Jesus transfigured and we act like Mass is just a big family meal. Come on people.)
I was delighted with Benedict's Moto Proprio which says each parish can have its own Tridentine Mass, not to exceed one per Sunday, provided parishioners request it. I think we should all push for one per week in every parish. Even if we do not revert to full Tridentine, as Benedict indicated, it will have a benficial effect on the way the Novus Ordo Masses are performed...Oh, I meant celebrated. (They seem all too much like performances nowadays, complete with applause.) I say, let's run both side by side and let the Holy Spirit decide. One will increase while the other decreases. Any bets and which it will be?