(Quote) John-862015 said:
I'm not sure if this has been discussed and if it has would appreciate the forum, ...
(Quote) John-862015 said:
I'm not sure if this has been discussed and if it has would appreciate the forum, date, etc.
My friend the athiest, D, and I were chatting on Dawkins' God Hypothesis. Admittedly, I think that without a script, many if not all Catholics can argue for the proof of God, because I needed to adjourn, to pray, reflect, and READ, on it. Now I know Aquinas wrote Summa and said it's all straw, and the atheist heresy has been around for eons, but if you cannot use ANY intelligent design rebuttal, what do you say in response?
I'm currently reading a book by Thomas Crean, O.P., for the second time. It bothers me when someone compares my belief in God to that of believing in Superman, or any imaginary superhero, or that we as a culture have trademarked "God".
Does anyone have any thoughts, observations, etc.?
There are various theological arguments to "prove" that God exists. The problem is that God isn't physically visible; therefore, some people just won't accept it. Well, not everything we believe in is visible. Have you ever seen a concept? We know about concepts, but no one has actually seen one. We acknowledge that some things exist even though we haven't seen them. This is true of physical things as well. We might never have seen the peak of the Himalayas, but we know from others that the peak (and mountains) exist.
Back to your problem. One argument involves the order in creation. We see the wonders of creation and how much order there is in the universe. Is it a perfect physical world? No, but perfection is reserved for God alone. Anyone or anything that is absolutely flawless would be equal to God. That's a digression to some extent, but the order in nature involves seeing Mother Nature at work -- plants growing, rivers flowing, and so on. It would be difficult to see this happen without Divine intervention.
Another argument is the "uncaused cause". If a person were to trace the origin of everything, there would have to be a Supreme Being from which things started. Matter does not create itself. Scientists cannot duplicate a unique human being (the miracle of creation). Cloning is one thing, but each person is unique, as demonstrated by DNA.
We also have Jesus Himself. He proclaimed that He is the Son of God, and that He has seen the Father. Historians do not deny that Jesus was physically here on earth. He was able to perform miracles in unity with the Father.
Atheists deny God, but the denial is somewhat of an acknowledgment in itself. Why do people spend time being perplexed by the idea there is a God? Because God Himself is "bugging" them to wake up and hear His word.
We all have consciences. Where do the thoughts of right and wrong come from?
John -- these are a few ideas you hopefully might be able to use. Perhaps those who have greater theological expertise will weigh in on this topic.
You're also new to the CM forums, and we'd like to welcome you.