Dawn, I must disagree with you here. You are speaking about Boy Scouts. Boy Scouts have honor and seek to help others. But honor itself implies that the person has integrity and truthfulness as said, but does not imply selflessness. Just the opposite in fact. Honor is about your own reputation and conduct. It is a very self-oriented quality. A man of honor values his integrity, truthfulness, and reputation for the same. He will fight to the death to defend his honor or that of his family. It is the basis of tribal warfare, blood revenge, and intergenerational feuds. So, if you insult him or hit him, you can expect to be challenged to a duel, and someone may well die. You can read about this in the hiostory of our forefathers. The good news is, you will get to choose the weapons.
Honor is about self and family, not selflessness.
Now, a person who has honor first, and then uses it in a selfless way (as the Boy Scouts teach one to do), that is a hero, a knight, perchance a saint. If the honor comes first, so there is first integrity, truthfulness, and the knowing of who one is, then the sacrifice can come later and you will know it is legitimate.
My point is just don't confuse honor with selflessness. Two very distinct qualities; both noble.
Then honor and I haven't met. I find nothing truly respectable or honorable about someone with no forgiveness, mercy, or compassion. The Hatfields and McCoys were not what I was thinking of in terms of honor.
honesty, fairness, or integrity in one's beliefs and actions: a man of honor.
a source of credit or distinction: to be an honor to one's family.
high respect, as for worth, merit, or rank: to be held in honor.
such respect manifested: a memorial in honor of the dead.
high public esteem; fame; glory: He has earned his position of honor.
I was operating with the first definition of honor. Though I do agree that the other four fit. And so does yours, Gerald. Thank you for giving me another angel to consider. I appreciate your thoughtful consideration of the meaning of the word. It's definitely layered and full of connotation. While I see your point about it having a focus for some on family and personal distinction, I don't think that makes it selfish in nature always. I think a man who is honorable before God is different than a man who's sense of honor prevents him from treating women with respect. Honor, like many qualities, can be achieved in a variety of ways, some more pure than others.
Marian, this is a very thought provoking discussion. Thank you!