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So what will Obama do now?!

Oct 5th 2012 new

I'm really concerned as to what actions Obama might take now that the race is tightening up, and he may finally feel that he actually may lose. I would not rule out Obama taking any action to stop Romney's election. gangster

And so, when I heard the September Jobs Report - my first thought was that Obama and his machine may be doing something sneaky to make him and his administration look better since jobs are the number 1 issue. I just heard from Lou Dobbs on Fox that this percentage is based on a household survey of 50,000 households which is a very small number, and that this is likely a statistical fluke. Romney suggested that it is also reflecting many people giving up and leaving the job market. Who knows?

But, really, I wouldn't rule out Obama and his campaign and administration doing ANYTHING to stay in power. I think we should be prepared for anything - particularly some manufactured crisiseyepopping (and, no, I'm not a conspiracy theorist) in the remaining weeks and possibly days before the election! Any thoughts?scratchchin

Oct 5th 2012 new

(Quote) Patricia-29176 said: I'm really concerned as to what actions Obama might take now that the race is tightening up...
(Quote) Patricia-29176 said:

I'm really concerned as to what actions Obama might take now that the race is tightening up, and he may finally feel that he actually may lose. I would not rule out Obama taking any action to stop Romney's election.

And so, when I heard the September Jobs Report - my first thought was that Obama and his machine may be doing something sneaky to make him and his administration look better since jobs are the number 1 issue. I just heard from Lou Dobbs on Fox that this percentage is based on a household survey of 50,000 households which is a very small number, and that this is likely a statistical fluke. Romney suggested that it is also reflecting many people giving up and leaving the job market. Who knows?

But, really, I wouldn't rule out Obama and his campaign and administration doing ANYTHING to stay in power. I think we should be prepared for anything - particularly some manufactured crisis (and, no, I'm not a conspiracy theorist) in the remaining weeks and possibly days before the election! Any thoughts?

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There are people who believe that an October surprise is being planned.

Oct 5th 2012 new
(Quote) Marian-83994 said: There are people who believe that an October surprise is being planned.
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There are people who believe that an October surprise is being planned.

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Jack welsh of GE predicted this would fall under 8.0% today, and I suspected O'bummer would do this. This is the October non-surprise.
Oct 5th 2012 new

(Quote) Marian-83994 said: There are people who believe that an October surprise is being planned.
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There are people who believe that an October surprise is being planned.

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Just pray it doesn't involve a red line drawn on a cartoon bomb.

Oct 6th 2012 new

(Quote) Steven-706921 said: Jack welsh of GE predicted this would fall under 8.0% today, and I suspected O'bummer would do ...
(Quote) Steven-706921 said:
Jack welsh of GE predicted this would fall under 8.0% today, and I suspected O'bummer would do this. This is the October non-surprise.
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Steven, do you believe that the numbers were cooked by the Obama administration? And, I really mean did someone skew phone calls, alter results, etc. to get the desired unemployment rate to fall below 8%.

So many pundits are just saying this was a statistical anomaly. My opinion is that was a statistical anomaly because someone in the Obama administration created it. But, only a few are venturing this opinion in the media.

Oct 6th 2012 new

(Quote) Patricia-29176 said: Steven, do you believe that the numbers were cooked by the Obama administration? And, I...
(Quote) Patricia-29176 said:



Steven, do you believe that the numbers were cooked by the Obama administration? And, I really mean did someone skew phone calls, alter results, etc. to get the desired unemployment rate to fall below 8%.

So many pundits are just saying this was a statistical anomaly. My opinion is that was a statistical anomaly because someone in the Obama administration created it. But, only a few are venturing this opinion in the media.

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Patricia - this kind of fluke has happened in previous months. The economic survey for the unemployment rate is at least two-part. One is the household survey, the other is the survey of some 140,000+ businesses to track their actual hires / layoffs. The Wall Street Journal had an excellent editorial today explaining this survey. It helps clear up the confusion why there would be such a dramatic drop of 3/10 % in the unemployment rate but only a net gain of 114,000 jobs - and many of those jobs were, apparently, government jobs (i.e. not from a real increase in productivity in the private sector).

The bottom line is that this economy still is performing on a trajectory that is headed into another statistical recession even though most of us live in areas that have been suffering economically for four to five years.

Oct 7th 2012 new

(Quote) John-727073 said: Patricia - this kind of fluke has happened in previous months. The economic survey for the...
(Quote) John-727073 said:



Patricia - this kind of fluke has happened in previous months. The economic survey for the unemployment rate is at least two-part. One is the household survey, the other is the survey of some 140,000+ businesses to track their actual hires / layoffs. The Wall Street Journal had an excellent editorial today explaining this survey. It helps clear up the confusion why there would be such a dramatic drop of 3/10 % in the unemployment rate but only a net gain of 114,000 jobs - and many of those jobs were, apparently, government jobs (i.e. not from a real increase in productivity in the private sector).

The bottom line is that this economy still is performing on a trajectory that is headed into another statistical recession even though most of us live in areas that have been suffering economically for four to five years.

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I agree, John, and I've read about the difference in surveys. What I'm thinking though is that if when they did the survey and if the numbers didn't quite come out to show a % rate lower than 8%, I wouldn't put it past the Obama administration to literally fudge or falsify or skew some of the data so that a lower than 8% rate would appear the month before the election. I really would not put anything past the desire of this administration to stay in power.

Oct 7th 2012 new

(Quote) Patricia-29176 said: I agree, John, and I've read about the difference in surveys. What I'm thinking...
(Quote) Patricia-29176 said:



I agree, John, and I've read about the difference in surveys. What I'm thinking though is that if when they did the survey and if the numbers didn't quite come out to show a % rate lower than 8%, I wouldn't put it past the Obama administration to literally fudge or falsify or skew some of the data so that a lower than 8% rate would appear the month before the election. I really would not put anything past the desire of this administration to stay in power.

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I think your analysis is correct, Patricia. I wouldn't rule it out either. These days, I look for bias in reporting based on how much of the full picture I feel I'm getting from the particular reporter writing the article. For example, I cannot recall reading a single mainstream media article about where the unemployment rate stands with the humble addition of 114K jobs. Also, I don't recall seeing how many people left the workforce - which was a factor that led to a "decrease" in the unemployment rate a few months ago. Further, very little reporting factors the figure of what the workforce would look like if everyone who was working in 2008 were still looking for a job.

The bottom line is that I feel that the reporting of this most recent set of statistics - in the mainstream press - was below par. The financial journals did a somewhat better job. However, in labor statistics stories you should, as a reader, be able to glean at least the following info (repeating myself here): a. The household survey results; b. The industrial / commercial survey numbers (+/- growth); c. how many people left the workforce; and d. the number of underemployed. If you can't get this much out of a story about the monthly labor report, your journalist is being professionally lazy.


Oct 7th 2012 new

(Quote) Patricia-29176 said: I'm really concerned as to what actions Obama might take now that the race is tightening up...
(Quote) Patricia-29176 said:

I'm really concerned as to what actions Obama might take now that the race is tightening up, and he may finally feel that he actually may lose. I would not rule out Obama taking any action to stop Romney's election.

And so, when I heard the September Jobs Report - my first thought was that Obama and his machine may be doing something sneaky to make him and his administration look better since jobs are the number 1 issue. I just heard from Lou Dobbs on Fox that this percentage is based on a household survey of 50,000 households which is a very small number, and that this is likely a statistical fluke. Romney suggested that it is also reflecting many people giving up and leaving the job market. Who knows?

But, really, I wouldn't rule out Obama and his campaign and administration doing ANYTHING to stay in power. I think we should be prepared for anything - particularly some manufactured crisis (and, no, I'm not a conspiracy theorist) in the remaining weeks and possibly days before the election! Any thoughts?

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Read this article about Chavez's race and devisive socialist policies in Venezuela....the two of these men...Chavez and Obama could be twins.

news.yahoo.com

Oct 7th 2012 new

(Quote) Patricia-29176 said: Steven, do you believe that the numbers were cooked by the Obama administration? And, I...
(Quote) Patricia-29176 said:



Steven, do you believe that the numbers were cooked by the Obama administration? And, I really mean did someone skew phone calls, alter results, etc. to get the desired unemployment rate to fall below 8%.

So many pundits are just saying this was a statistical anomaly. My opinion is that was a statistical anomaly because someone in the Obama administration created it. But, only a few are venturing this opinion in the media.

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The statistics of the economic direction are all pointed in the wrong direction to generate such a drop. The economy has been headed into a recession, and all the real events are still pressing the U.S. in that direction.

And yet somehow 830,000 people have magically been found to be employed all along! I smelled this was coming for a week, and anyone with any sense could see this coming, but I have to give them props for trying to make the obvious look real.

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