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Saint Thomas More was martyred during the Protestant Reformation for standing firm in the Faith and not recognizing the King of England as the Supreme Head of the Church.
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10/19/2012 new
(Quote) Tim-734178 said: Not to derail this thread, but where is concept of God will overlook some things or sins or..... comming from? Thi...
(Quote) Tim-734178 said: Not to derail this thread, but where is concept of God will overlook some things or sins or..... comming from? This has no basis on Catholic theology or teaching. This is a protestant construct. God may forgive, but He overlooks nothing.
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Of course, Jesus can forgive, but some people cannot, despite their so called faith
10/19/2012 new

(Quote) Tim-734178 said: Not to derail this thread, but where is concept of God will overlook some things or sins or..... comming f...
(Quote) Tim-734178 said: Not to derail this thread, but where is concept of God will overlook some things or sins or..... comming from? This has no basis on Catholic theology or teaching. This is a protestant construct. God may forgive, but He overlooks nothing.
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It's called presumption. It's an objective sin against the supernatural virtue of hope.

10/19/2012 new

(Quote) Laura-857740 said: It is arrogance to assume someone does not practice or know their faith. Voting for Obama does not prove...
(Quote) Laura-857740 said: It is arrogance to assume someone does not practice or know their faith. Voting for Obama does not prove one does not practice their faith. I am pro life as well. I would rather come up with a social design to assist those who will be and are pregnant for whatever reason it happened....rape, etc. I am willing to design a socialist program to help these individuals throughout their life, if abortion is made illegal. And that means everyone in society must assist these people with your time, money, resources, etc. And that also means that we may have to help them for their entire lifetime...small price to pay if we're talking about saving unborn lives.
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The socialist doctrine you're espousing is opposed to the Catholic doctrine called subsidiarity.

10/19/2012 new

(Quote) Laura-857740 said: Of course, Jesus can forgive, but some people cannot, despite their so called faith
(Quote) Laura-857740 said: Of course, Jesus can forgive, but some people cannot, despite their so called faith
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Forgiving is not the same as forgetting. Forgiveness cannot happen without the transgressor/sinner admitting to the one he's offended that he has committed offence against him, before anything else...and the one who forgives would certainly be a fool to forget the offense. Both parties have to be careful of the other due to the sin. That's what participating in the divine life demands.

As St. Paul says, those members of the Body with lesser honor, must be treated with greater honor for their protection.

10/19/2012 new

(Quote) Chelsea-743484 said: Forgiving is not the same as forgetting. Forgiveness cannot happen without the transgre...
(Quote) Chelsea-743484 said:



Forgiving is not the same as forgetting. Forgiveness cannot happen without the transgressor/sinner admitting to the one he's offended that he has committed offence against him, before anything else...and the one who forgives would certainly be a fool to forget the offense. Both parties have to be careful of the other due to the sin. That's what participating in the divine life demands.

As St. Paul says, those members of the Body with lesser honor, must be treated with greater honor for their protection.

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Forgiveness does not have to rely on the transgressor admitting guilt.

10/19/2012 new
Hhhmmmmmm. How so? One has to confess ones sins to be forgiven of them. Confessing implies guilt.
10/19/2012 new

I jumped into the thread as I read in the Stream the line about forgiving can't be done till the transgressor confesses. I had not read the whole thread.

Between persons, I say that forgiveness is not hinged upon confession. If I waited till my ex-husband apologized, or even admitted to, the couple of serious wrongs he committed against me, my anger/resentment/loathing would have eaten me up inside a long time ago. But for my own sake, I had to forgive him his "sins" against me, to be able to find a way to be able to christianly love him again. Forgiveness, "they" say, is really for the sufferer's sake, not for the transgressor's.

Between God and man, I understand that sins must be confessed to be forgiven.

I think the status of the entities involved is where the difference lies. God is the authority over us; it is confessing where we are reminded again of our lower place. We people need to forgive each other to exist properly with each other. We're all in the same boat.

10/19/2012 new
Ah. I gottcha. That is well stated.
10/19/2012 new

(Quote) Thomas-699657 said: Typical response from someone who doesn't follow the faith or believe in it's doctrines....
(Quote) Thomas-699657 said:

Typical response from someone who doesn't follow the faith or believe in it's doctrines.

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So you get to decide who is following the faith and who doesn't? When did God give you the keys?

10/19/2012 new

(Quote) Laura-857740 said: It is arrogance to assume someone does not practice or know their faith. Voting for Obama does not prove...
(Quote) Laura-857740 said: It is arrogance to assume someone does not practice or know their faith. Voting for Obama does not prove one does not practice their faith. I am pro life as well. I would rather come up with a social design to assist those who will be and are pregnant for whatever reason it happened....rape, etc. I am willing to design a socialist program to help these individuals throughout their life, if abortion is made illegal. And that means everyone in society must assist these people with your time, money, resources, etc. And that also means that we may have to help them for their entire lifetime...small price to pay if we're talking about saving unborn lives.
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You can continue on with your calling me arrogant about what ever it is you are trying to prove. I will continue to defend the teachings of the Catholic church against those who don't follow or even want to know what the church teaches and give scandal to the faith. Because my faith calls me to do so, even when others argue and others call me futile names. Correcting someone on the faith does not make one arrogant, it is actually a form of humility. You would know this if you would read the link I posted.

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