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10/27/2012 new

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I would like to learn more about Mary's mantle. Does anyone know some of the things it may represent?









Mary's Mantle means she is our protectress. "Protect us with your precious veil"






Yes, Mary's mantle will protect us as long as we remain humble.
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Hopefully if we focus on Mary we can remain humble.

10/27/2012 new

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Did King Solomon refuse his mother's request?

Yes, it was a bad request for the King, because it meant that Adonijah sought to be king by asking for Abishag as his wife. Solomon could not be safe while he lived, so he sought him and had him put to death.




I'm not so sure King Solomon refused his mother's request. From what I understand, Adonias had already tried to become King without King David's blessing. Once King David appointed Solomon as King, Adonias was afraid that he would be killed, but Solomon spared his life. King Solomon told Adonias that as long as he remained good, he would live.

King Solomon knew that Abisag the Sunamitess did not want to marry Adonias, and when he heard this request coming from his mother, he knew that Adonias was actually making this request through his mother. So what could he do? He just finished telling her that he cannot refuse her request. But this was an evil request. He already warned Adonias that he would be killed if he tried to do evil.

So he knew he had to kill Adonias(his first promise). Once Adonias was dead, his mother's request could neither be refused nor granted.

So this is what I think is the moral of the story: Don't ask our Blessed Mother Mary to ask Jesus to do something evil.
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Of course, now I can see what has happened here. It seems that Adonijah had cleverly used his mother to ask for this request since, he knew that anything Queen Bathsheba asked she would get from King Solomon. So, what happens here is when his mother asked for this request to Solomon, he wasn't refusing Queen Bathsheba, but was smart enough to recognize what was going on, that it was Adonijah who was behind this and was a threat to the kingdom, an evil attempt to win the throne over Solomon;hence he had he killed.

It goes on further that Solomon also had Adonijah's supporters killed.

10/28/2012 new
(Quote) Marian-83994 said: Hopefully if we focus on Mary we can remain humble.
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Hopefully if we focus on Mary we can remain humble.

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I think trying to remain humble is a lifelong struggle.
10/28/2012 new
(Quote) Cindy-534370 said: Of course, now I can see what has happened here. It seems that Adonijah had cleverly used h...
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Of course, now I can see what has happened here. It seems that Adonijah had cleverly used his mother to ask for this request since, he knew that anything Queen Bathsheba asked she would get from King Solomon. So, what happens here is when his mother asked for this request to Solomon, he wasn't refusing Queen Bathsheba, but was smart enough to recognize what was going on, that it was Adonijah who was behind this and was a threat to the kingdom, an evil attempt to win the throne over Solomon;hence he had he killed.

It goes on further that Solomon also had Adonijah's supporters killed.

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Yes, it does look like King Solomon also viewed this request as a threat to the kingdom.
10/29/2012 new
Have others heard/read that the Blessed Mother of God left Her parents, St. Anne and St. Joachim at the age of three in order to go and live in the temple?

theheartOur Blessed Mother Mary had already Loved God so much at such a young agetheheart
10/30/2012 new

(Quote) Valentin-119637 said: Have others heard/read that the Blessed Mother of God left Her parents, St. Anne and St. Joachim at t...
(Quote) Valentin-119637 said: Have others heard/read that the Blessed Mother of God left Her parents, St. Anne and St. Joachim at the age of three in order to go and live in the temple?

Our Blessed Mother Mary had already Loved God so much at such a young age
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The story is beautiful of St. Joachim and St.Anne. It should be told over and over. I especially love to look and study the paintings that were painted on the Life of St.Anne and St.Joachim with the dream of St. Joachim. The story unfolds beautifully, and the frescoes were painted by Giotto.


Giotto ( c.1266-1337 ) Giotto's early frescoes in the Upper Basilica of San Francesco in Assisi.He painted the life of Mary. The Annunciation to St.Anne and the presentation of Mary to the temple. I have Giotto's book, it is a large book and the art and frescoes are exquisite. I often will sit and study his painting and I love the paintings of St.Joachim and St.Anne together. I will try to find a link, but not sure where.

He also has his frescoes in the Scrovegni Chapel in Padua, and his late frescoes in Florence's Santa Croce.

Please tell us teh story of Mary and her parents, it is one that is truly holy.

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10/30/2012 new
(Quote) Cindy-534370 said: The story is beautiful of St. Joachim and St.Anne. It should be told over and over. I especiall...
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The story is beautiful of St. Joachim and St.Anne. It should be told over and over. I especially love to look and study the paintings that were painted on the Life of St.Anne and St.Joachim with the dream of St. Joachim. The story unfolds beautifully, and the frescoes were painted by Giotto.


Giotto ( c.1266-1337 ) Giotto's early frescoes in the Upper Basilica of San Francesco in Assisi.He painted the life of Mary. The Annunciation to St.Anne and the presentation of Mary to the temple. I have Giotto's book, it is a large book and the art and frescoes are exquisite. I often will sit and study his painting and I love the paintings of St.Joachim and St.Anne together. I will try to find a link, but not sure where.

He also has his frescoes in the Scrovegni Chapel in Padua, and his late frescoes in Florence's Santa Croce.

Please tell us teh story of Mary and her parents, it is one that is truly holy.

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Thank you for posting these pictures! They are beautiful! biggrin

Here's a paragraph from "The Glories of Mary" by Saint Alphions de Ligouri:

The Offering that Mary made of herself to God was prompt without delay, and entire without reserve. There never was, and never will be, an offering on the part of a pure creature greater or more perfect than that which Mary made to God when, at the age of three years, she presented herself in the temple to offer Him, not aromatical spices, nor calves, nor gold, but her entire self, consecrating herself as a perpetual victim in His honor. She well understood the voice of God, calling her to devote herself entirely to His love, when He said, "arise, make haste, my love, my dove, my beautiful one, and come!" (Song of Solomon 2:10). Therefore her Lord willed that from that time she should forget her country, and all, to think only of loving and pleasing Him: "Hearken, O daughter, and see, and incline thine ear; and forget thy people, and thy father's house" (Psalm 45:10-11). She with promptitude and at once obeyed the divine call. Let us, then, consider how acceptable was this offering which Mary made of herself to God; for it was prompt and entire. Hence the two points for our consideration are, first, Mary's offering was prompt and without delay; secondly, it was entire and without reserve.:theheart
10/31/2012 new
A paragraph from "The Glories of Mary" by Saint Alphions de Ligouri, that describes the journey from Nazareth to Jerusalem:

Behold now Joachim and Anne, generously sacrificing to God the most precious treasure that they possessed in the world, and the One which was dearest to their hearts, setting out from Nazareth, carrying their well-beloved little Daughter in turns, for She could not otherwise have undertaken so long a journey as that from Nazareth to Jerusalem, it being a distance of eighty miles, as several authors say. [Refer to Roads & Caravan Routes of Ancient Palestine] They were accompanied by few relatives, but choirs of angels, according to Saint George of Nimoedia, escorted and served the Immaculate little Virgin, Who was about to consecrate Herself to the Divine Majesty. "How beautiful are Thy steps, O Prince's Daughter!" O, how beautiful (must the angels have sung), how acceptable to God is Thy every step, taken on Thy way to present and offer Thyself to Him! O noble Daughter, most beloved of our common Lord! "God Himself, with the whole heavenly court," says Bernardine de Bustis, "made great rejoicings on that day, beholding His spouse coming to the temple." "For He never saw a more holy creature, or One Whom He so tenderly loved, come to offer Herself to Him." "Go then" (says Saint Germanus, archbishop of Constantinople), "go, O Queen of the world, O Mother of God, go joyfully to the house of God, there to await the coming of the Divine Spirit, Who will make Thee the Mother of the Eternal Word." "Enter with exultation the courts of the Lord, in expectation of the coming of the Holy Ghost, and the Conception of the only-begotten Son of God."theheart
11/01/2012 new
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