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As I watch the victims of Sandy suffering without power, I do not understand why volunteers from the Alabama Power Company were turned back because they weren't union workers. I wonder if these poor people were told they were denied power sooner because it would have been turned on by non union workers? Where is the logic in this? These people need help. Who cares who gives the help. Another brilliant left wing idea that has hurt more people.


- Elizabeth

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(Quote) Elizabeth-462557 said: As I watch the victims of Sandy suffering without power, I do not understand why volunteers f...
(Quote) Elizabeth-462557 said:

As I watch the victims of Sandy suffering without power, I do not understand why volunteers from the Alabama Power Company were turned back because they weren't union workers. I wonder if these poor people were told they were denied power sooner because it would have been turned on by non union workers? Where is the logic in this? These people need help. Who cares who gives the help. Another brilliant left wing idea that has hurt more people.


- Elizabeth

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Hi Elizabeth... That is truly ashame if qualified people were turned down to help.. My mother just got her phone back yesterday and her cable tv today.. I understand companies have policies but hey if someone can help out, why not let them. My sister was without power 11 days.. she was very upset about it. I try to understand and be positive but I think the system needs to improve so the work gets done.

I was thinking so many are out of work, so we should have the manpower to help. I know many in my area got their own chainsaws out and cut trees down to open up the roads.


Prayers for those still affected and prayers for our country and safety .

Kathleen Praying rosary theheart

11/11/2012 new

Hi Kathleen, I am so sorry for all the victims. I've been through several hurricanes myself and I know what it is like to have nothing to eat or drink for days. My family was stranded in New Orleans in the 60's for three days with nothing but some hot Cokes that were left at my dad's office. I have been told from family members that Alabama Power was turned away from New Jersey because they weren't union workers. This simply doesn't make sense to allow people to suffer when they didn't need to. I hope your family has power soon.


- Elizabeth

11/11/2012 new

(Quote) Elizabeth-462557 said: As I watch the victims of Sandy suffering without power, I do not understand why volunteers f...
(Quote) Elizabeth-462557 said:

As I watch the victims of Sandy suffering without power, I do not understand why volunteers from the Alabama Power Company were turned back because they weren't union workers. I wonder if these poor people were told they were denied power sooner because it would have been turned on by non union workers? Where is the logic in this? These people need help. Who cares who gives the help. Another brilliant left wing idea that has hurt more people.


- Elizabeth

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This is apparently a false rumor:

www.snopes.com

11/11/2012 new

(Quote) Jerry-74383 said: This is apparently a false rumor: www.snopes.com.
(Quote) Jerry-74383 said:

This is apparently a false rumor:

www.snopes.com

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The story is true I believe ... some red tape.. looks like the crew helped in other places..


www.waff.com

DECATUR, AL (WAFF) -

A Decatur Utilities crew left Alabama to help with storm recovery in New Jersey, but did not make the trip because of what they are now calling confusion over union paperwork.

Related Content Read Decatur Utilities statement(pdf) Read the statement from IBEW Documents sent to DU(31 pages)

Slideshow:


Utility crews volunteered with Sandy recovery. See photos.

The six-man crew staged in Virginia, but Decatur Utilities said they were never able to get in touch with officials or utility companies in New York or New Jersey. While the crew stood down in Virginia, Decatur Utilities officials claimed theyreceived a union contractthey thought they would have to agree to before helping storm victims.

General Manager Ray Hardin appeared onFox Business ChannelFriday morning saying, "We were presented documents from IBEW that required our folks to affiliate with the unions and that was something we could not agree to."

Decatur Utilities laterreleased a statement expanding on that, "Upon arriving at a staging area in Virginia, crews were held in place pending clarification of documents received from IBEW that implied a requirement of our employees to agree to union affiliation while working in the New York and New Jersey areas. It was and remains our understanding that agreeing to those requirements was a condition of being allowed to work in those areas."

Late Friday at a press conference, Hardin said the documents actually came from Electric Cities of Alabama, a coalition of the state's municipally owned utilities.

Bottom line, it appears now that Decatur Utilities wrongly assumed they would have to agree to the union contract before traveling to New Jersey to help with recovery efforts. The IBEW said in times of crisis, help is welcomed from union and non-union utility workers.

Hardin said as they waited for confirmation on the documents, crews received word that Seaside Heights had received the assistance they needed from other sources.

"At this stage, it is not clear who is alleged to have turned the crew away and the company that employs the affected workers has denied the claim," said IBEW President Ed Hillin a statement. "IBEW local leaders in New Jersey have reiterated what has been the long standing record of our union – in times of crisis all help is welcome and we pull together with everyone to meet the needs of the public. We have communicated this to the office of New Jersey Governor Christie as well."

The crew from Decatur Utilities attempted to look for work in other areas, but Hardin said based on the uncertainty of other union requirements, they made the decision to return home after being stalled in Virginia most of the day Thursday.

Other utility crews from Alabama are still helping with storm cleanup. Huntsville Utilities said they were not turned away and are in Long Island, New York. Joe Wheeler EMC said they did not respond to New Jersey, but did travel to Maryland and headed home once they were finished.

Copyright 2012 WAFF. All rights reserved.

11/11/2012 new

(Quote) Kathleen-5781 said: The story is true I believe ... some red tape.. looks like the crew helped in other plac...
(Quote) Kathleen-5781 said:



The story is true I believe ... some red tape.. looks like the crew helped in other places..


www.waff.com

DECATUR, AL (WAFF) -

A Decatur Utilities crew left Alabama to help with storm recovery in New Jersey, but did not make the trip because of what they are now calling confusion over union paperwork.

Related Content Read Decatur Utilities statement(pdf) Read the statement from IBEW Documents sent to DU(31 pages)

Slideshow:


Utility crews volunteered with Sandy recovery. See photos.

The six-man crew staged in Virginia, but Decatur Utilities said they were never able to get in touch with officials or utility companies in New York or New Jersey. While the crew stood down in Virginia, Decatur Utilities officials claimed theyreceived a union contractthey thought they would have to agree to before helping storm victims.

General Manager Ray Hardin appeared onFox Business ChannelFriday morning saying, "We were presented documents from IBEW that required our folks to affiliate with the unions and that was something we could not agree to."

Decatur Utilities laterreleased a statement expanding on that, "Upon arriving at a staging area in Virginia, crews were held in place pending clarification of documents received from IBEW that implied a requirement of our employees to agree to union affiliation while working in the New York and New Jersey areas. It was and remains our understanding that agreeing to those requirements was a condition of being allowed to work in those areas."

Late Friday at a press conference, Hardin said the documents actually came from Electric Cities of Alabama, a coalition of the state's municipally owned utilities.

Bottom line, it appears now that Decatur Utilities wrongly assumed they would have to agree to the union contract before traveling to New Jersey to help with recovery efforts. The IBEW said in times of crisis, help is welcomed from union and non-union utility workers.

Hardin said as they waited for confirmation on the documents, crews received word that Seaside Heights had received the assistance they needed from other sources.

"At this stage, it is not clear who is alleged to have turned the crew away and the company that employs the affected workers has denied the claim," said IBEW President Ed Hillin a statement. "IBEW local leaders in New Jersey have reiterated what has been the long standing record of our union – in times of crisis all help is welcome and we pull together with everyone to meet the needs of the public. We have communicated this to the office of New Jersey Governor Christie as well."

The crew from Decatur Utilities attempted to look for work in other areas, but Hardin said based on the uncertainty of other union requirements, they made the decision to return home after being stalled in Virginia most of the day Thursday.

Other utility crews from Alabama are still helping with storm cleanup. Huntsville Utilities said they were not turned away and are in Long Island, New York. Joe Wheeler EMC said they did not respond to New Jersey, but did travel to Maryland and headed home once they were finished.

Copyright 2012 WAFF. All rights reserved.

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Thanks for the information, Kathleen. I hope the red tape goes away so more people can be helped. No American should have to go through what is happening in the North East.



- Elizabeth

11/11/2012 new

(Quote) Kathleen-5781 said:The story is true I believe ... some red tape.. looks like the crew helped in other places..
(Quote) Kathleen-5781 said:

The story is true I believe ... some red tape.. looks like the crew helped in other places..

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The Snopes article addresses the report you posted as well.

11/11/2012 new
Thanks for posting this Elizabeth. I did hear that yesterday (from word of mouth). Regardless of if this is true or not, there is so much work yet to be done. The sermon at mass tonight was about some of the work that the parish youth did to help in Queens, NY. One of my cousins had the first floor of her home overrun with water, though she is OK. Tonight I was speaking with my sister and we were saying we needed to find opportunities to help others. It's a temptation to say "I got my power back" and forget about all others. We did pull together to help each other during the storm and after when our power was out. But since restoration of power we've not done a whole lot for others, and there is still need. Part of it is that we're all tied to our work, and in our society the wheels of productivity never stop turning. It's a fact of life. I think in days past, probably long past by now, more and more "regular working people" would have been mobilized to help clean up. A little bit more of that WWII spirit, kinda like the war effort with all hands pitching in. (I'm not talking about the jobs that need pros like electrical, but more of the light debris cleanup that just requires a lot of hands.). A long way to go I'm afraid. It was a big storm and is a big job. Thank you Elizabeth.
11/12/2012 new

(Quote) John-746882 said: Thanks for posting this Elizabeth. I did hear that yesterday (from word of mouth). Regardless of if this ...
(Quote) John-746882 said: Thanks for posting this Elizabeth. I did hear that yesterday (from word of mouth). Regardless of if this is true or not, there is so much work yet to be done. The sermon at mass tonight was about some of the work that the parish youth did to help in Queens, NY. One of my cousins had the first floor of her home overrun with water, though she is OK. Tonight I was speaking with my sister and we were saying we needed to find opportunities to help others. It's a temptation to say "I got my power back" and forget about all others. We did pull together to help each other during the storm and after when our power was out. But since restoration of power we've not done a whole lot for others, and there is still need. Part of it is that we're all tied to our work, and in our society the wheels of productivity never stop turning. It's a fact of life. I think in days past, probably long past by now, more and more "regular working people" would have been mobilized to help clean up. A little bit more of that WWII spirit, kinda like the war effort with all hands pitching in. (I'm not talking about the jobs that need pros like electrical, but more of the light debris cleanup that just requires a lot of hands.). A long way to go I'm afraid. It was a big storm and is a big job. Thank you Elizabeth.
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Good points, John! thumbsup



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Thank you Charles. God bless you.
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