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Nov 15th 2012 new

(Quote) Scott-804356 said: Honestly I'd like to know myself... Okay I am 28, I do live in a blue state and do go to a wi...
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Honestly I'd like to know myself... Okay I am 28, I do live in a blue state and do go to a wicked liberal college, what I don't understand is why most of the freshmen think the distribution of wealth is a great idea, when every history class uses the old axiom "learn from history or you bound to repeat it". How many more examples do we need? History has given us enough...look at Cuba, Look at Russia before the revolution (yes I know they were Communists but the government still controlled everything). Obama didn't win with my vote.

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They're all for redistribution of wealth as long as they are on the receiving end. Wait until they move to the losing end.

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Nov 15th 2012 new

(Quote) Sheila-371804 said: (Quote) Marianne-100218 said: Why did you put it in such bold typ...
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Why did you put it in such bold type?

I was referring to the recent migrants to our shores who receive social services, and add to the national debt.


I just wanted to be clear on the nature of your question. BTW out of curiosity, so I am clear on your opinion, exactly what Immigrants were you referring to that need to arrive by boat ?

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Hi Sheila et alia,

I just saw the bottom of the thread, and not the top. That's a very good thing for certain other parties here (not you!).

Yours is a question that screams for an answer. Probably one that is not forthcoming.

Jim ☺

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Nov 15th 2012 new

(Quote) James-17080 said: Hi William et alia,Yes, okay. I must admit I was a little confused. The problem is...
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Hi William et alia,

Yes, okay. I must admit I was a little confused. The problem is that Steve decided to interject his own opinions into a definition, thus muddying the waters. And linking Obama to fascism is really muddying the waters, a fault which might very well be laid at the feet of Jonah Goldberg.

Several years ago, we had a young firebrand conservative here who just graduated college. He was a doctrinaire conservative, a lover of Bush and the Iraq War, and so on. But he was a liberal in on very peculiar aspect: he was all in favour of student loans. When I asked him about this, he said, "Well, uh, I couldn't have gone to college without them". He was a liberal only when it suited his interest. Why do I bring this up? Because in this case, my young friend was a socialist. The student loan program was administered by the federal government, who distributed the money to the students.

Let's take another example. Water, and the distribution of water. Here in Chicago, water is secured from Lake Michigan and purified, and all of this is done by the city on the cheap. In other places, private firms do this sort of thing, for considerably more money. Why? Private firms have an incentive, (and a legal obligation if the firm is publicly traded) to put profits over services. Clearly letting the state handle the water is a better option. Or what some here might classify as "socialism"

James ☺

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A loan is way different from just taking some hand out. Come on.

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Nov 15th 2012 new

(Quote) Mary-117586 said: (Quote) James-17080 said: Hi William et alia,Yes, okay. I m...
(Quote) Mary-117586 said:

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James-17080 said:



Hi William et alia,

Yes, okay. I must admit I was a little confused. The problem is that Steve decided to interject his own opinions into a definition, thus muddying the waters. And linking Obama to fascism is really muddying the waters, a fault which might very well be laid at the feet of Jonah Goldberg.

Several years ago, we had a young firebrand conservative here who just graduated college. He was a doctrinaire conservative, a lover of Bush and the Iraq War, and so on. But he was a liberal in on very peculiar aspect: he was all in favour of student loans. When I asked him about this, he said, "Well, uh, I couldn't have gone to college without them". He was a liberal only when it suited his interest. Why do I bring this up? Because in this case, my young friend was a socialist. The student loan program was administered by the federal government, who distributed the money to the students.

Let's take another example. Water, and the distribution of water. Here in Chicago, water is secured from Lake Michigan and purified, and all of this is done by the city on the cheap. In other places, private firms do this sort of thing, for considerably more money. Why? Private firms have an incentive, (and a legal obligation if the firm is publicly traded) to put profits over services. Clearly letting the state handle the water is a better option. Or what some here might classify as "socialism"

James ☺


A loan is way different from just taking some hand out. Come on.

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Hello to you too, Mary :-)

Fine. Change "loan" to "grant".

James ☺

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Nov 15th 2012 new

Don't forget that Karol W. (Pope John Paul II) lived through socialistic Poland and was instrumental in praying Poland's people through the demise of it in the 80's.

The Catholic Church is against socialism (I'm paraphrasing) because it takes away from the God given dignity of the human person. A system that discourages a soul from living up to their God Given potential is contrary to our beliefs. God wants us to discover our unique path to heaven through success on this earth. When opportunity is taken away - and through the HHS mandate - now religious freedom taken away, many souls will be at risk. Humanistic and socialistic views are IMO evil and selfish under the guise of 'helping' that poor whomever through gifts of food or birth control or taking their fetus or giving them a government job. It will suck the life out of many before we have a real revolution. We all should be praying with great zeal to rid our nation of the mindset that has invaded half of us. sad

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Nov 15th 2012 new

(Quote) James-17080 said: Hi Joe et alia,Nice to meet you.So, you're against Social Security, Me...
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Hi Joe et alia,

Nice to meet you.

So, you're against Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid? Is that what you're telling me, or are you just telling me that those things are examples of Socialism?

James ☺

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Yes I am telling you that they are examples of socialism and I am against them. I am against all forms of socialism including bailing out banks and auto industries. Social Security was supposed to be something you invested in during your lifetime and then it paid back during the years you could not work. Medicare and medicaid are pure handouts. By nature, these things are corrupt and full of fraud because they are run by human beings.

These programs will never be efficient and will always lose money. I love going to the grocery store and there is a 20 something in line in front of me with a huge cart full of goodies, paying with a welfare card and talking on their $800 I Phone.

We as a nation are the most generous people on earth. To think that somehow without all this government stuff that our fellow citizens would be left to die in the streets is just silly. There used to be a lot of private organizations that provided social work and help for those in need. This has now been replaced by an overbearing and corrupt central planning state. And they have failed miserably. There are 49 million people on food stamps. The war on poverty has been a disaater.



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Nov 15th 2012 new

Hi James cool

I also reccommend the video, Nine Days that Changed the World

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Nov 15th 2012 new

(Quote) Mary-117586 said: Don't forget that Karol W. (Pope John Paul II) lived through socialistic Poland and was instru...
(Quote) Mary-117586 said:

Don't forget that Karol W. (Pope John Paul II) lived through socialistic Poland and was instrumental in praying Poland's people through the demise of it in the 80's.

The Catholic Church is against socialism (I'm paraphrasing) because it takes away from the God given dignity of the human person. A system that discourages a soul from living up to their God Given potential is contrary to our beliefs. God wants us to discover our unique path to heaven through success on this earth. When opportunity is taken away - and through the HHS mandate - now religious freedom taken away, many souls will be at risk. Humanistic and socialistic views are IMO evil and selfish under the guise of 'helping' that poor whomever through gifts of food or birth control or taking their fetus or giving them a government job. It will suck the life out of many before we have a real revolution. We all should be praying with great zeal to rid our nation of the mindset that has invaded half of us.

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Mary - that is beautiful. Socialism is pure evil. It appeals to people's natural inclination to help your fellow man and it destroys their feeling of self worth. Teach a man how to fish.

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Nov 15th 2012 new

Question ??

One of your neighbors knock on your door with two thugs along side them and demand you give them $100. They say they are giving it to a friend of theirs that "needs help". You refuse and they forcibly take it from you and hand it to their friend.

Most of us would think that is wrong.


What is the difference between that and the US government with their collection agency the IRS? scratchchin

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Nov 15th 2012 new

(Quote) James-17080 said: Hello to you too, Mary :-)Fine. Change "loan" to "grant".<...
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Hello to you too, Mary :-)

Fine. Change "loan" to "grant".

James ☺

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Getting a grant is not a "dole out" The process of getting it is not that easy as being doled out. One has to be qualified. GRANTS ARE NOT GIVEN FREELY......One has to prove something first.

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