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Nov 19th 2012 new

(Quote) ED-20630 said: Karis is apparently a very liberal and sensitive, sensitive, sensitive creature. I managed to upset h...
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Karis is apparently a very liberal and sensitive, sensitive, sensitive creature. I managed to upset his sensibilities so much that he accused me of going on a "vuvuzela drama queen rant"... whatever that is. I also find that people falling off the left side tend to insist on tolerance from others while being most intolerant themselves.

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Thx, Ed. Yep, I've much more often seen the "tolerant" left get very angry and start name calling and such when people don't agree with them than the right does. Not all, of course, but more on the left than the right. Strange for people who call for tolerance.

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Nov 19th 2012 new

(Quote) Eric-114571 said: And for all their complaining about Obamacare's anti-life policies the bishops did not...
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And for all their complaining about Obamacare's anti-life policies the bishops did not hand out voter guides that showed people where the candidates stood on life and preached to their people that they needed to vote for life. This is not the same as preaching "Vote for Romney" from the pulpit. This strategy has passed legal review / challenge in courts and could have been used. Compared to what they could have done the bishops did relatively little to educate their people. Catholic Answers (a faithful apologetics organization http://www.catholic.com) printed a Catholic Voter Guide which showed where the candidates stood on the issues of life and others -- the bishops could have mailed one to every household in their diocese and did not.

That's my opinion.

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I so agree with you. I even talked about this in confession the other day, how mad I am at the Church. Putting the elections aside, the church hasn't done anywhere near what should be done fighting abortion. The Catholic Church in America deserves what it's going to get. Father Pavone, Priests for Life, was put into exile recently. He was obedient to his Bishop and went. There was absolutely no reason given for doing this. Father Pavone dedicates his life to the unborn. Satan is at work in the church. Our religious freedom is at stake and millions of innocent lives and what the heck are they doing about it? There are a few great bishops and priests that are vocal, but the church as a whole HAS to come together and stand up!

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Nov 19th 2012 new

Concerning Father Pavone....


My understanding is that he was not really "put into exile". I believe that I heard on EWTN some months ago that his bishop had some concerns about the finances of the Priests for Life organization. I don't believe that there was any real suspicion of any sort of wrong-doing, but that the bishop just wanted to make sure that organization would not be put at risk in the future because of questions about use of funds. I understand that Priests for Life (as an organization) has really brought in a lot of money (though donations) and spent a lot of money (over the years) and that there might have been some concern from the bishop that all of the funds were being used appropriately. That is my understanding for the reason that they made the change so that Fr. Pavone was no longer the official face of the organization. To this day I have never heard that any sort of wrong-doing was found. My impression is that the bishop thought that Fr. Pavone was almost too visible as the head of Priests for Life.


It would be nice to hear an update about this on EWTN one of these days, as it is sort of a mystery.


Ed

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Nov 20th 2012 new

(Quote) ED-20630 said: Concerning Father Pavone....My understanding is that he was not really "put into exile...
(Quote) ED-20630 said:

Concerning Father Pavone....
My understanding is that he was not really "put into exile". I believe that I heard on EWTN some months ago that his bishop had some concerns about the finances of the Priests for Life organization. I don't believe that there was any real suspicion of any sort of wrong-doing, but that the bishop just wanted to make sure that organization would not be put at risk in the future because of questions about use of funds. I understand that Priests for Life (as an organization) has really brought in a lot of money (though donations) and spent a lot of money (over the years) and that there might have been some concern from the bishop that all of the funds were being used appropriately. That is my understanding for the reason that they made the change so that Fr. Pavone was no longer the official face of the organization. To this day I have never heard that any sort of wrong-doing was found. My impression is that the bishop thought that Fr. Pavone was almost too visible as the head of Priests for Life.


It would be nice to hear an update about this on EWTN one of these days, as it is sort of a mystery.


Ed

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The situation is as you report, ED. One thing, however, apprently Fr. Pavone is still the head of th Priests for Life, but his Bishop has not released him back to that work. At least that is the last I heard.

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Nov 20th 2012 new
Ed, I appreciate your Post that states a truth I have noticed by watching the mainstream political news on cable: " The Democrats are actually more intollerant; and just outright judgmental than Conservatives, by a 1000 miles! " Thanks for the good obervation Ed, and keep fighting the good fight! God Bless :-)!!!
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Nov 20th 2012 new

I wouldn't say they chose socialism. I'd say they chose a society where everyone pays their fair share for the good of all and rejected trickle-down economics. Neoliberal, trickle-down economics has been proven to be a failure just like totalitarian socialism.

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Nov 20th 2012 new

Since we're on the topic, I'd invite hardcore Republicans who are also Catholics to take a look at the principles of Catholic social teaching:
www.centacarebrisbane.net.au


This one is especially important and is why I support social democratic political parties:

. The Principle of Preferential Option for the Poor and Vulnerable

In a society marred by deepening divisions between rich and poor, our tradition recalls the

story of the last judgement (Mt 25.31-46) and instructs us to put the needs of the poor and

vulnerable first. The United States’ Bishops put it well: “The needs of the poor take priority

over the desires of the rich; the rights of workers over the maximisation of profits; the

preservation of the environment over uncontrolled industrial expansion.”

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Nov 20th 2012 new

I'm wondering the same thing. I think it's because they believed they benefited or stood to benefit, economically, from President Obama. I've read that people felt he understood them better than Gov. Romney.


I voted for Gov. Romney. But I those are my guesses on your question.

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Nov 20th 2012 new

Hi Marianne,
You make your points very clear and I totally agree with you. My biggest concern is for our children and grandchildren as we as Catholics sit back and watch our Catholic faith clearly being threatened and we do nothing to protect our religious freedom. As in past decades, we need to grab our rosaries and align ourselves with the Blessed Mother. As witnessed in this election, we are the minority in our country and to have our voices heard, we need a strong spokesperson. Who has more clear vision and strength but the mother of Jesus?

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Nov 20th 2012 new

Paul,


Thanks for the update.


Ed

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