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With the election recently passed, politics and morality seems to be a hot topic around here now. I just wanted to vent some of my grievances with today's political parties, not just in the US but around the world. Everyone seems to be turning to extreme positions and intolerance is on the rise in all parties, left, right and centre.

I am avidly pro-life and oppose abortion and embryonic stem cell research, and anything contrary to the dignity of human life.

I oppose same-sex marriage and don't recognize marriage as anything but between a man and a woman.

But I also favour progressive taxation (the more you earn, the more you pay), social safety nets, universal health care, basically government policies that give the poor the helping hand they need.

Because of my political values, I don't fit in with any left, right, or centre main stream party. All of my views disqualify me from being a member of at least one political party. I can't be a conservative because my views on economics make me a socialist in the eyes of the Tea Party types. I can't be in a liberal party because since I believe in traditional marriage, the dignity of human life and family values, I am a hardcore right-wing homophobic hate mongerer.

It just bothers me that you everything is so extreme. If you support a party's position on one issue, you also have to support them on everything else, even if it goes against your conscience.

Nov 20th 2012 new

Welcome to the forums, John.

" If you support a party's position on one issue, you also have to support them on everything else, even if it goes against your conscience. If you support a party's position on one issue, you also have to support them on everything else, even if it goes against your conscience." - Well, some people might think that, but most don't. It's more realistic to go that way in a country with a lot of political parties. In the US we basically have two parties, and thinking people are never going to agree 100% with either one, and even the politicians running as members of a party don't agree with everything in their party's platform.

Nov 20th 2012 new

(Quote) John-221057 said: With the election recently passed, politics and morality seems to be a hot topic around here now. ...
(Quote) John-221057 said:

With the election recently passed, politics and morality seems to be a hot topic around here now. I just wanted to vent some of my grievances with today's political parties, not just in the US but around the world. Everyone seems to be turning to extreme positions and intolerance is on the rise in all parties, left, right and centre.

I am avidly pro-life and oppose abortion and embryonic stem cell research, and anything contrary to the dignity of human life.

I oppose same-sex marriage and don't recognize marriage as anything but between a man and a woman.

But I also favour progressive taxation (the more you earn, the more you pay), social safety nets, universal health care, basically government policies that give the poor the helping hand they need.

Because of my political values, I don't fit in with any left, right, or centre main stream party. All of my views disqualify me from being a member of at least one political party. I can't be a conservative because my views on economics make me a socialist in the eyes of the Tea Party types. I can't be in a liberal party because since I believe in traditional marriage, the dignity of human life and family values, I am a hardcore right-wing homophobic hate mongerer.

It just bothers me that you everything is so extreme. If you support a party's position on one issue, you also have to support them on everything else, even if it goes against your conscience.

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In America we have always had a progressive tax. And since America is turning to Obamacare, where are Canadians going to
go when they need an operation and don't want or can't wait on the "operation" line? Your "go to" place is gone.

Nov 21st 2012 new

(Quote) Marianne-100218 said: In America we have always had a progressive tax. And since America is turning to Obama...
(Quote) Marianne-100218 said:



In America we have always had a progressive tax. And since America is turning to Obamacare, where are Canadians going to
go when they need an operation and don't want or can't wait on the "operation" line? Your "go to" place is gone.

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Actually, in Canada, people do get the operations they need. It goes by urgency. It's better to wait than to not get an operation at all because you don't have the money.


Don't get me wrong, our health care system is awful compared to places like France and Norway. But I like having the security of knowing that I'm not going to go bankrupt from an injury or illness or die because I can't afford health care.

Nov 21st 2012 new

(Quote) John-221057 said: Actually, in Canada, people do get the operations they need. It goes by urgency. It...
(Quote) John-221057 said:




Actually, in Canada, people do get the operations they need. It goes by urgency. It's better to wait than to not get an operation at all because you don't have the money.


Don't get me wrong, our health care system is awful compared to places like France and Norway. But I like having the security of knowing that I'm not going to go bankrupt from an injury or illness or die because I can't afford health care.

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The Canadians I know told me the only money that comes out of their pocket for healthcare is if you need
surgery in a hurry, then you go to America.

They also told me that you had to take the day off of work because the lines at the doctor's office are so long.

Nov 21st 2012 new

(Quote) Marianne-100218 said: The Canadians I know told me the only money that comes out of their pocket for healthc...
(Quote) Marianne-100218 said:



The Canadians I know told me the only money that comes out of their pocket for healthcare is if you need
surgery in a hurry, then you go to America.

They also told me that you had to take the day off of work because the lines at the doctor's office are so long.

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Those same Canadians also loved the health care they got in Canada. They never had to pay any money
out of their wallot.

Nov 21st 2012 new

(Quote) Marianne-100218 said: The Canadians I know told me the only money that comes out of their pocket for healthc...
(Quote) Marianne-100218 said:



The Canadians I know told me the only money that comes out of their pocket for healthcare is if you need
surgery in a hurry, then you go to America.

They also told me that you had to take the day off of work because the lines at the doctor's office are so long.

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Canadians who have money go to America for health care. If you have a lot of money or are willing to mortgage your house you can jump the wait line and go to the US. But regardless, if it's a matter of life or death you'll get treated right away.


As for the second part, I've never heard of anyone taking the whole day of work to go to see the doc.

Nov 21st 2012 new

(Quote) Marianne-100218 said: Those same Canadians also loved the health care they got in Canada. They never had to ...
(Quote) Marianne-100218 said:



Those same Canadians also loved the health care they got in Canada. They never had to pay any money
out of their wallot.

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Well, that's partly true. We don't pay out of our wallet, but contrary to what some people might think our health care is not "free." We all pay into it through our taxes. The way it actually works is that hospitals are private companies, as are doctors' offices. The "socialized" part is that it's a single payer system. Each province pays for its citizens health cost. The care itself is run privately. A single payer system is not the best way to go in my opinion, but I still prefer it to the US system.

Nov 21st 2012 new

(Quote) John-221057 said: Well, that's partly true. We don't pay out of our wallet, but contrary to what...
(Quote) John-221057 said:




Well, that's partly true. We don't pay out of our wallet, but contrary to what some people might think our health care is not "free." We all pay into it through our taxes. The way it actually works is that hospitals are private companies, as are doctors' offices. The "socialized" part is that it's a single payer system. Each province pays for its citizens health cost. The care itself is run privately. A single payer system is not the best way to go in my opinion, but I still prefer it to the US system.

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When it is called a "single payer" system, that means that each province pays a fixed amount of money each year for
its citizens health care or does it pay all the health-care expenses as they come up, to the private health care companies?

The person that told me they have to take a day off of work to see a doctor was much older than you are. Maybe the
doctors he went to would be different than the ones you go to. The lines might be longer.

Nov 21st 2012 new

(Quote) John-221057 said: Canadians who have money go to America for health care. If you have a lot of money or ...
(Quote) John-221057 said:




Canadians who have money go to America for health care. If you have a lot of money or are willing to mortgage your house you can jump the wait line and go to the US. But regardless, if it's a matter of life or death you'll get treated right away.


As for the second part, I've never heard of anyone taking the whole day of work to go to see the doc.

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From what I have heard and read, emergency treatment does not get treated right away. Do you agree with this article or do you
think it is not true?

www.montrealgazette.com

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