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Nov 21st 2012 new
(Quote) John-221057 said: With the election recently passed, politics and morality seems to be a hot topic around here now. I just wanted...
(Quote) John-221057 said:

With the election recently passed, politics and morality seems to be a hot topic around here now. I just wanted to vent some of my grievances with today's political parties, not just in the US but around the world. Everyone seems to be turning to extreme positions and intolerance is on the rise in all parties, left, right and centre.

I am avidly pro-life and oppose abortion and embryonic stem cell research, and anything contrary to the dignity of human life.

I oppose same-sex marriage and don't recognize marriage as anything but between a man and a woman.

But I also favour progressive taxation (the more you earn, the more you pay), social safety nets, universal health care, basically government policies that give the poor the helping hand they need.

Because of my political values, I don't fit in with any left, right, or centre main stream party. All of my views disqualify me from being a member of at least one political party. I can't be a conservative because my views on economics make me a socialist in the eyes of the Tea Party types. I can't be in a liberal party because since I believe in traditional marriage, the dignity of human life and family values, I am a hardcore right-wing homophobic hate mongerer.

It just bothers me that you everything is so extreme. If you support a party's position on one issue, you also have to support them on everything else, even if it goes against your conscience.

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Bravo, John. I agree with your arguments. Maybe more also agree. It seems we may need to find each other, in the future, to do some collective brainstorming to help change, add, or modify the existing political parties
Nov 21st 2012 new

(Quote) Laura-857740 said: Bravo, John. I agree with your arguments. Maybe more also agree. It seems we may need to find each other...
(Quote) Laura-857740 said: Bravo, John. I agree with your arguments. Maybe more also agree. It seems we may need to find each other, in the future, to do some collective brainstorming to help change, add, or modify the existing political parties
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But John lives in Canada. How are you going to help change the Canadian political parties?

Nov 21st 2012 new

(Quote) John-221057 said: With the election recently passed, politics and morality seems to be a hot topic around here now. ...
(Quote) John-221057 said:

With the election recently passed, politics and morality seems to be a hot topic around here now. I just wanted to vent some of my grievances with today's political parties, not just in the US but around the world. Everyone seems to be turning to extreme positions and intolerance is on the rise in all parties, left, right and centre.

I am avidly pro-life and oppose abortion and embryonic stem cell research, and anything contrary to the dignity of human life.

I oppose same-sex marriage and don't recognize marriage as anything but between a man and a woman.

But I also favour progressive taxation (the more you earn, the more you pay), social safety nets, universal health care, basically government policies that give the poor the helping hand they need.

Because of my political values, I don't fit in with any left, right, or centre main stream party. All of my views disqualify me from being a member of at least one political party. I can't be a conservative because my views on economics make me a socialist in the eyes of the Tea Party types. I can't be in a liberal party because since I believe in traditional marriage, the dignity of human life and family values, I am a hardcore right-wing homophobic hate mongerer.

It just bothers me that you everything is so extreme. If you support a party's position on one issue, you also have to support them on everything else, even if it goes against your conscience.

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Prolife isn't an issue though liberals would like to call it one...abortion is murder that has been legalized and it has to be what we fight for first and foremost....everything else that can be considered issues stem from prolife....as per the church. Really, people on here are always saying we are on a slippery slope....I was thinking we have been on this slope a long time.....think about it once it was a big deal to say "damn" on t.v. Gone with the Wind was the first time it happened and they fought hard for the right. Now, we have pornography and everything else on t.v....it just keeps getting worse and worse. I don't know what you mean about "prgressive" taxes but the rich have always paid more because they make more...really it should be a flat tax of 10 percent on everyone to be fair. It is hardly fair for the govt. to increasingly steal what isn't theirs and decide what they think it should be spent on when govt. is very wasteful and NOT benevolent as we can see now that we are being forced to pay for abortions so we can make democrat supporters planned parenthood even richer, not to mention many other things that we will be paying for soon like physician assisted suicide. At any rate, safety nets and socialism are different concepts and we are headed towards socialism.

Nov 22nd 2012 new

(Quote) Marianne-100218 said: But John lives in Canada. How are you going to help change the Canadian political part...
(Quote) Marianne-100218 said:



But John lives in Canada. How are you going to help change the Canadian political parties?

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Hahaha, no need to change our political parties. The people in our Conservative Party in Canada aren't crazy like the Republicans. biggrin In the US they'd be considered a bunch of lefties.

Nov 22nd 2012 new

(Quote) John-221057 said: Hahaha, no need to change our political parties. The people in our Conservative Party in C...
(Quote) John-221057 said:



Hahaha, no need to change our political parties. The people in our Conservative Party in Canada aren't crazy like the Republicans. In the US they'd be considered a bunch of lefties.

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Are you saying in your country you have the Conservative Party and then the Republican party? And the Republican party
is leftist in your country? Very interesting.

Nov 22nd 2012 new

(Quote) John-221057 said: Hahaha, no need to change our political parties. The people in our Conservative Party in C...
(Quote) John-221057 said:



Hahaha, no need to change our political parties. The people in our Conservative Party in Canada aren't crazy like the Republicans. In the US they'd be considered a bunch of lefties.

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Really John, Republicans are crazy? They are big government politicians like the dems, just do it slower. These topics drive me nuts, what are all of you looking for out of government? Do you really think that some politician in Washington DC truly gives a rats rear end about your particular life or family. They care about their own lives, create dependency so that have a cushy paid job and run around acting like they care more than the next guy.

Keep wishing for utopia, it never gets here.

Nov 23rd 2012 new

(Quote) Marianne-100218 said: Are you saying in your country you have the Conservative Party and then the Republican...
(Quote) Marianne-100218 said:



Are you saying in your country you have the Conservative Party and then the Republican party? And the Republican party
is leftist in your country? Very interesting.

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Our country has 3 main parties: Liberals, Conservatives, and New Democtratic Party. The Liberals are a centrist party, the New Democrats are like the Labour Party in Britain (they would be the fartherst left in Canada), and the Conservatives would be the party of the right. However, really our Conservative Party is more like the Democrats than the Republicans. In some ways they're even to the left of some Democrats in the US.

Nov 23rd 2012 new

(Quote) Joe-787295 said: Really John, Republicans are crazy? They are big government politicians like the dems,...
(Quote) Joe-787295 said:


Really John, Republicans are crazy? They are big government politicians like the dems, just do it slower. These topics drive me nuts, what are all of you looking for out of government? Do you really think that some politician in Washington DC truly gives a rats rear end about your particular life or family. They care about their own lives, create dependency so that have a cushy paid job and run around acting like they care more than the next guy.

Keep wishing for utopia, it never gets here.

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See Joe, whenever I hear people talk about "big government," that seems strange to me. The size of government isn't really an issue in Canada.

What do I look for in government? Just basic human rights like the right to food, water, and shelter, the right to health care, and security. Basically, a social safety net in case I fall on hard times and need some support before I get back on my feet and can take care of myself again. I wouldn't say at all that I feel dependent on government, but I want to know that I have a safety net if I ever need it.

Consider this Joe: $6 billion dollars was spent in the last US presidential election. That could have gone to medical research, charity, health care, space exploration. The problem is that the fat cat billionaires have their hands in the pockets of the politicians in both parties. They get their campaign money, the corporations get the deregulation that they want. Perhaps a ban on corporate donations could go a long way. Our Conservative Party actually did that in Canada. No one here is allowed to donate more than $1000 and donations from both corporations and unions are now illegal.

Amazing how under George W. Bush they cut taxes for rich people, starved the government of revenue, and then claim that government is failing and can't do anything right. And people believe it... Except that government got huge under both Bushes and under Ronald Reagan.

Nov 23rd 2012 new

(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: Prolife isn't an issue though liberals would like to call it one...abortion is murder that h...
(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said:

Prolife isn't an issue though liberals would like to call it one...abortion is murder that has been legalized and it has to be what we fight for first and foremost....everything else that can be considered issues stem from prolife....as per the church. Really, people on here are always saying we are on a slippery slope....I was thinking we have been on this slope a long time.....think about it once it was a big deal to say "damn" on t.v. Gone with the Wind was the first time it happened and they fought hard for the right. Now, we have pornography and everything else on t.v....it just keeps getting worse and worse. I don't know what you mean about "prgressive" taxes but the rich have always paid more because they make more...really it should be a flat tax of 10 percent on everyone to be fair. It is hardly fair for the govt. to increasingly steal what isn't theirs and decide what they think it should be spent on when govt. is very wasteful and NOT benevolent as we can see now that we are being forced to pay for abortions so we can make democrat supporters planned parenthood even richer, not to mention many other things that we will be paying for soon like physician assisted suicide. At any rate, safety nets and socialism are different concepts and we are headed towards socialism.

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I agree with you Cheryl that abortion is murder. Except I don't believe the Republicans when they say they oppose it. Nevertheless, all the parties in Canada are pro abortion anyway so I don't have the luxury of taking their positions on this into consideration when I vote.

Nov 23rd 2012 new

(Quote) John-221057 said: See Joe, whenever I hear people talk about "big government," that seem...
(Quote) John-221057 said:

See Joe, whenever I hear people talk about "big government," that seems strange to me. The size of government isn't really an issue in Canada.

What do I look for in government? Just basic human rights like the right to food, water, and shelter, the right to health care, and security. Basically, a social safety net in case I fall on hard times and need some support before I get back on my feet and can take care of myself again. I wouldn't say at all that I feel dependent on government, but I want to know that I have a safety net if I ever need it.

Consider this Joe: $6 billion dollars was spent in the last US presidential election. That could have gone to medical research, charity, health care, space exploration. The problem is that the fat cat billionaires have their hands in the pockets of the politicians in both parties. They get their campaign money, the corporations get the deregulation that they want. Perhaps a ban on corporate donations could go a long way. Our Conservative Party actually did that in Canada. No one here is allowed to donate more than $1000 and donations from both corporations and unions are now illegal.

Amazing how under George W. Bush they cut taxes for rich people, starved the government of revenue, and then claim that government is failing and can't do anything right. And people believe it... Except that government got huge under both Bushes and under Ronald Reagan.

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John, when I talk about big government, I am talking about a government that wants to regulate and control just about every aspect of your life. Tell kids what they should eat for lunch, restrict the size of soft drinks in New York, ban salt from tables in restaurants. I can't put an addition on my house unless there are about 3 govt. agencies reviewing and granting me a "permit" to do so, all the while they are sucking fees during the process.

The things you talk about; food, shelter, water, healthcare are NOT basic human rights. They are human needs that as a grown man you have the individual responsibility to provide for you and your family. If you fall on hard times, then the USA has always been there for their neighbors and citizens. Churches and organizations such as the Salvation Army have been there. And many used to depend on their own family members and friends when help is needed.

Who cares what was spent on the election. One could make the argument that it provided economic stimulus. That money was spent with radio stations, tv stations, sign companies, bus companies, food service, etc. In what you are saying, that money could have gone to space exploration. Well, I think it was better spent on buses and limos.

Obama blew through 537 million dollars (without asking the American people) on a failed solar panel company. That was a complete give away to all of Obama's fat cat billionaire friends and donors. Think of what you could do with that. Hire teachers, pave some roads, buy some more buses and limos.

My government is supposed to guarantee me the right to speak freely, worship as I choose and pursue happiness. The rest is a distraction and they have no business doing it.

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