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Saint Thomas More was martyred during the Protestant Reformation for standing firm in the Faith and not recognizing the King of England as the Supreme Head of the Church.
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11/23/2012 new

(Quote) John-221057 said: See Joe, whenever I hear people talk about "big government," that seem...
(Quote) John-221057 said:

See Joe, whenever I hear people talk about "big government," that seems strange to me. The size of government isn't really an issue in Canada.

What do I look for in government? Just basic human rights like the right to food, water, and shelter, the right to health care, and security. Basically, a social safety net in case I fall on hard times and need some support before I get back on my feet and can take care of myself again. I wouldn't say at all that I feel dependent on government, but I want to know that I have a safety net if I ever need it.

Consider this Joe: $6 billion dollars was spent in the last US presidential election. That could have gone to medical research, charity, health care, space exploration. The problem is that the fat cat billionaires have their hands in the pockets of the politicians in both parties. They get their campaign money, the corporations get the deregulation that they want. Perhaps a ban on corporate donations could go a long way. Our Conservative Party actually did that in Canada. No one here is allowed to donate more than $1000 and donations from both corporations and unions are now illegal.

Amazing how under George W. Bush they cut taxes for rich people, starved the government of revenue, and then claim that government is failing and can't do anything right. And people believe it... Except that government got huge under both Bushes and under Ronald Reagan.

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Lowering taxes actually increased revenues. The problem is that Congress found more way to spend than they took in. Think of it in these simple terms, why does McDonalds make so much more money selling hamburgers for $1 than the gourmet burger joint that sells a much better hamburger for $6?

Also, if as you say, that if basic human rights include food, shelter and health care, who provides this if there are not enough farmers and doctors? Are they slaves? Are we forcing people to provide these services if there aren’t enough? Just as Joe said. These are not rights, they are your responsibility as an adult to provide them for you and your family. O course, we do need safeguards to help those who need it.

Does it make sense that the “Affordable Health care Act sanctions the hiring of 16,000 lawyers but no doctors? So much for Government doing things right.

11/24/2012 new

(Quote) John-221057 said: With the election recently passed, politics and morality seems to be a hot topic around here now. ...
(Quote) John-221057 said:

With the election recently passed, politics and morality seems to be a hot topic around here now. I just wanted to vent some of my grievances with today's political parties, not just in the US but around the world. Everyone seems to be turning to extreme positions and intolerance is on the rise in all parties, left, right and centre.

I am avidly pro-life and oppose abortion and embryonic stem cell research, and anything contrary to the dignity of human life.

I oppose same-sex marriage and don't recognize marriage as anything but between a man and a woman.

But I also favour progressive taxation (the more you earn, the more you pay), social safety nets, universal health care, basically government policies that give the poor the helping hand they need.

Because of my political values, I don't fit in with any left, right, or centre main stream party. All of my views disqualify me from being a member of at least one political party. I can't be a conservative because my views on economics make me a socialist in the eyes of the Tea Party types. I can't be in a liberal party because since I believe in traditional marriage, the dignity of human life and family values, I am a hardcore right-wing homophobic hate mongerer.

It just bothers me that you everything is so extreme. If you support a party's position on one issue, you also have to support them on everything else, even if it goes against your conscience.

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The Republican party has alenated many. I found this article with some merit:

www.csmonitor.com

11/24/2012 new

(Quote) Ron-481546 said: Lowering taxes actually increased revenues. The problem is that Congress found mo...
(Quote) Ron-481546 said:

Lowering taxes actually increased revenues. The problem is that Congress found more way to spend than they took in. Think of it in these simple terms, why does McDonalds make so much more money selling hamburgers for $1 than the gourmet burger joint that sells a much better hamburger for $6?

Also, if as you say, that if basic human rights include food, shelter and health care, who provides this if there are not enough farmers and doctors? Are they slaves? Are we forcing people to provide these services if there aren’t enough? Just as Joe said. These are not rights, they are your responsibility as an adult to provide them for you and your family. O course, we do need safeguards to help those who need it.

Does it make sense that the “Affordable Health care Act sanctions the hiring of 16,000 lawyers but no doctors? So much for Government doing things right.

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Obama recently created the African-American Education Office (further dividing us along racial lines), and has plans for a new cabinet position for the Department of Business. I guess we have to suck it up- after all, the American people in their "wisdom" reelected him.

11/25/2012 new

(Quote) Ron-481546 said: Lowering taxes actually increased revenues. The problem is that Congress found mo...
(Quote) Ron-481546 said:

Lowering taxes actually increased revenues. The problem is that Congress found more way to spend than they took in. Think of it in these simple terms, why does McDonalds make so much more money selling hamburgers for $1 than the gourmet burger joint that sells a much better hamburger for $6?

Also, if as you say, that if basic human rights include food, shelter and health care, who provides this if there are not enough farmers and doctors? Are they slaves? Are we forcing people to provide these services if there aren’t enough? Just as Joe said. These are not rights, they are your responsibility as an adult to provide them for you and your family. O course, we do need safeguards to help those who need it.

Does it make sense that the “Affordable Health care Act sanctions the hiring of 16,000 lawyers but no doctors? So much for Government doing things right.

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Ron - I'm all with you. People need to understand that it is lower tax RATES that work. I will be more inclined to produce more if I am keeping 90% of what I produce as opposed to 50%. Reagan slashed taxed rates and revenue to the government doubled.

Anyone that doesn't understand that is, well - uhhh - A Liberal tongue

11/25/2012 new

OBAMA vs JFK who was right and who is wrong . sorry to say the Obama the SOCIAlLIST is wrong . JFK the DEMOCRAT is right . now i know were republicans like Reagan stole a workable plan from . laughing laughing laughing www.youtube.com

11/25/2012 new

(Quote) Michael-556947 said: OBAMA vs JFK who was right and who is wrong . sorry to say the Obama the SOCIAlLIST is wrong . ...
(Quote) Michael-556947 said:

OBAMA vs JFK who was right and who is wrong . sorry to say the Obama the SOCIAlLIST is wrong . JFK the DEMOCRAT is right . now i know were republicans like Reagan stole a workable plan from . www.youtube.com

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JFK would never be welcome in the modern democrat party. They have been hijacked by the left to the point our parents would never recognize. Ever notice the modern day dems never speak of JFK - cuz he spoke of cutting tax rates.


? for the lefties out there - name just ONE country that tried socialism and it worked and their people were happy - I'll wait

11/28/2012 new

(Quote) John-221057 said: What do I look for in government? Just basic human rights like the right to food, water, ...
(Quote) John-221057 said:

What do I look for in government? Just basic human rights like the right to food, water, and shelter, the right to health care, and security. Basically, a social safety net in case I fall on hard times and need some support before I get back on my feet and can take care of myself again. I wouldn't say at all that I feel dependent on government, but I want to know that I have a safety net if I ever need it.

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You don't appear to be distinguishing between human rights and human needs.

11/28/2012 new

(Quote) John-221057 said: With the election recently passed, politics and morality seems to be a hot topic around here now. ...
(Quote) John-221057 said:

With the election recently passed, politics and morality seems to be a hot topic around here now. I just wanted to vent some of my grievances with today's political parties, not just in the US but around the world. Everyone seems to be turning to extreme positions and intolerance is on the rise in all parties, left, right and centre.

I am avidly pro-life and oppose abortion and embryonic stem cell research, and anything contrary to the dignity of human life.

I oppose same-sex marriage and don't recognize marriage as anything but between a man and a woman.

But I also favour progressive taxation (the more you earn, the more you pay), social safety nets, universal health care, basically government policies that give the poor the helping hand they need.

Because of my political values, I don't fit in with any left, right, or centre main stream party. All of my views disqualify me from being a member of at least one political party. I can't be a conservative because my views on economics make me a socialist in the eyes of the Tea Party types. I can't be in a liberal party because since I believe in traditional marriage, the dignity of human life and family values, I am a hardcore right-wing homophobic hate mongerer.

It just bothers me that you everything is so extreme. If you support a party's position on one issue, you also have to support them on everything else, even if it goes against your conscience.

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Hi John et alia,

John, you sound like a pretty no-too-bad guy to me. The only thing I would quibble about is your homophobia. Now, I'm not getting into any arguments with you or anybody else about homosexuality. I know and have known some gays on a professional level, and we've always gotten along fine, even though I'm straight. In the real world, not everybody is straight, and that is something we all have to accept.

Other than that, I agree with you. And keep in mind that others do to, although I know for a fact that a lot of them are afraid to come in this room.

I'm not afraid, and most experienced wizards know better than to pull any mishegas with me ;-)

James ☺

11/28/2012 new

(Quote) John-221057 said: But I also favour progressive taxation (the more you earn, the more you pay), social safety nets, ...
(Quote) John-221057 said:

But I also favour progressive taxation (the more you earn, the more you pay), social safety nets, universal health care, basically government policies that give the poor the helping hand they need.

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It isn't a safety net, but a hammock. These are contrivances of politicians to get them elected. Once the populace gets used to them, then politicians have to come up with more government spending to get elected and pretty soon, we have no freedom because government controls it all. Don't say that isn't the case. You only have to look at Greece, Spain, France, etc.

Progressive taxation is theft. It is based upon envy and convetting your neighbor's property. When you decide that someone shouldn't have something they have earned and granted them by God, you are judging someone and placing yourself in God's stead.

The reason the US and Canada because they were born from us, was so prosperous, was the freedom to fail. If you don't let people fail, they can't learn. How many times did you fall when you were starting to walk, ride a bike, etc.? When we don't let people fail, we will soon not let people exceed and that is what the so called progressive taxation does.

11/28/2012 new

(Quote) Marianne-100218 said: (Quote) Laura-857740 said: Bravo, John. I agree with your arguments. Maybe mor...
(Quote) Marianne-100218 said:

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Laura-857740 said: Bravo, John. I agree with your arguments. Maybe more also agree. It seems we may need to find each other, in the future, to do some collective brainstorming to help change, add, or modify the existing political parties



But John lives in Canada. How are you going to help change the Canadian political parties?

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Hi Marianne et alia,

It's possible, Marianne, that John is pretty happy to be up in Canada and not in the US.

wink

James ☺

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