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Nov 28th 2012 new

(Quote) Marianne-100218 said: (Quote) Edward-512961 said: Based on his statement, I got the meaning ...
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Edward-512961 said:

Based on his statement, I got the meaning that he expressed himself based on what others in the parties would imply by his statements. He employed sarcasm in the remark "Because of my political values, I don't fit in with any left, right, or centre main stream party. All of my views disqualify me from being a member of at least one political party. I can't be a conservative because my views on economics make me a socialist in the eyes of the Tea Party types. I can't be in a liberal party because since I believe in traditional marriage, the dignity of human life and family values, I am a hardcore right-wing homophobic hate mongerer."

Does anyone reading this really believe that John IS "a hardcore right-wing homophobic hate mongerer"? I don't.



No, I did not get the feeling that he was that either.

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Oh, no, of course you didn't! But that is what he wrote.

You see, I have this serious problem. When wizards say things, I take them at face value, especially when I do not know them (like I do not know John).

But, okay, I can play this game, too. Your anger (and Edward's) had less to do with protecting John's honor than it did with deliberately trying to pick a fight with me. How about it?

James ☺

Nov 28th 2012 new

(Quote) Bernie-350671 said: (Quote) John-221057 said: But I also favour progressive taxation (the mor...
(Quote) Bernie-350671 said:

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But I also favour progressive taxation (the more you earn, the more you pay), social safety nets, universal health care, basically government policies that give the poor the helping hand they need.




It isn't a safety net, but a hammock. These are contrivances of politicians to get them elected. Once the populace gets used to them, then politicians have to come up with more government spending to get elected and pretty soon, we have no freedom because government controls it all. Don't say that isn't the case. You only have to look at Greece, Spain, France, etc.

Progressive taxation is theft. It is based upon envy and convetting your neighbor's property. When you decide that someone shouldn't have something they have earned and granted them by God, you are judging someone and placing yourself in God's stead.

The reason the US and Canada because they were born from us, was so prosperous, was the freedom to fail. If you don't let people fail, they can't learn. How many times did you fall when you were starting to walk, ride a bike, etc.? When we don't let people fail, we will soon not let people exceed and that is what the so called progressive taxation does.

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A hammock, Bernie? A hammock? Do you really want to go with that?

James ☺

Nov 28th 2012 new
(Quote) James-17080 said: You know, Edward, you need to take it easy. John wrote: "... I am a hardcore right-wing homoph...
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You know, Edward, you need to take it easy. John wrote: "... I am a hardcore right-wing homophobic hate mongerer."

Now, what did he write?

James ☺

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Go back and read John's post, and mine. Do so S-L-O-W-L-Y so that you might have a chance to let them sink in and you can understand them as written and intended, not as you would imply to satisfy your end. You do this so often, as in stating that Marianne and I are angry about something. Angry about what? I'm enjoying a beautiful day on vacation; I'm one mellow fellow. Try to lighten up.

Annoy a liberal; work hard and be happy!! biggrin
Nov 28th 2012 new

(Quote) Edward-512961 said: (Quote) James-17080 said: You know, Edward, you need to take it easy...
(Quote) Edward-512961 said:
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James-17080 said:




You know, Edward, you need to take it easy. John wrote: "... I am a hardcore right-wing homophobic hate mongerer."

Now, what did he write?

James ☺




Go back and read John's post, and mine. Do so S-L-O-W-L-Y so that you might have a chance to let them sink in and you can understand them as written and intended, not as you would imply to satisfy your end. You do this so often, as in stating that Marianne and I are angry about something. Angry about what? I'm enjoying a beautiful day on vacation; I'm one mellow fellow. Try to lighten up.

Annoy a liberal; work hard and be happy!!
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Thank you for your kind suggestion. I suggest you do the same. Have a nice day.

James ☺

Nov 28th 2012 new

(Quote) Marianne-100218 said: Can't be good if the Government is making a department for business. It either mea...
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Can't be good if the Government is making a department for business. It either means more regulation for the business sector,
or that the government forgot its calling. It probably forgot its calling a long time ago.

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Marianne, that's how I interpret it- more regulation for businesses.

Nov 28th 2012 new

(Quote) James-17080 said: Hi Ron et alia,I sure am glad to hear that health care is not a right. Good! Close...
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Hi Ron et alia,

I sure am glad to hear that health care is not a right. Good! Close all those VA hospitals, and all the vets can sign up for Blue Cross. Right?



James ☺

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This is a non-sequitor. The VA health system exists as payment for services rendered, not as an inherent human right.

Nov 28th 2012 new

(Quote) John-221057 said: 1. Everyone seems to be turning to extreme positions and intolerance is on the rise... 2. ....
(Quote) John-221057 said:

1. Everyone seems to be turning to extreme positions and intolerance is on the rise...

2. ...today's political parties...

3. But I also favour progressive taxation (the more you earn, the more you pay), social safety nets, universal health care, basically government policies that give the poor the helping hand they need.

4. Because of my political values, I don't fit in with any...

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I just wanted to comment on some of the points in your venting. This means I'm not going to argue any points. I have finally come to accept that it is futile to do so with anyone. I'm not going to change your mind about anything, and you won't change my mind about anything. I am just stating my position. With that out of the way...


1. The people that complain about "extreme positions" and "intolerance" either have no principles, or are purposely using those terms to attempt to make someone look bad, or have mislabeled what they see. If a person actually has principles that they belive in and live by, then they will by definition have an extreme position. For example, you say you are "avidly pro-life", so you yourself have an extreme position. Are you "intolerant" because you do not agree with others that killing a baby is perfectly fine? Are you "tolerant" only if you cave in to the pro-choice people and let babies continue to be murdered? Obviously no.

What we are seing is very often mislabeled as "extreme positions" and "intolerance". What we are actually seeing is that the chasm between two different beliefs is growing. This country is becoming more and more divided and it is being pulled apart. That is the cause of the increase in stress (the yelling, protesting, violence, etc).


2. The divide is not between "today's political parties" as many are duped into thinking. The one's who benefit by the divide are the ones who want you to keep thinking that. So then, what really are the two directions that this country is being divided, and why is it getting so divided? If you figure out who benefits from the divide, you will find the why, and then you will know what directions the country is actually being divided between.

First ask what benefits could someone possibly get out of the country being divided. That's easy, the benefit is always the same, money and power, i.e. control. So who gains control by the country being divided? That seems easy too, the government, of course. But why would our government, the government of E PLURIBUS UNUM, want that? From the mistakes our government has made over the past many decades, there has grown a class of people in this country that has become a cancer to this country and is fueling the fire of this division. It is not "the rich" as is often mistakenly said these days. Well, it is not ALL the rich, it is the politically-connected rich whose interests are served by the government gaining more and more control. The more control the government takes, the more money and power this class gets. It is a self-feeding cancer! So that is the who and why, so what are the two directions the country is being divided?

One direction is to keep, or more accurately, restore, the system of government we once had, the system of individual liberty. The other direction is to follow the road to socialism, the system of government that hundreds of thousands of men have died to wipe out. Right now we have an American flavor of socialism, but socialism just the same. Our political parties are not aligned with this divide, liberty vs socialism, contrary to what many people think. The members of the RNC and the DNC who carry the most weight in their parties are both on the side of socialism, they just advocate different levels of socialism. Liberty unites, and socialism divides.


3. Contrary to what you think, all those policies you listed "government policies that give the poor the helping hand they need" are not based on christian values. Those are policies that have led to the worst wars man has ever seen. The Lord commands YOU to give to the needy yourself, directly, and from your own heart. He does not command you to give your money to the government, and have money from others forcefully taken from them, and have it filtered through politicians pockets, and then given to those who the politicians determine are the needy. That is nothing but a system of corruption. He said for YOU, and all of us individually, to give the poor the helping hand they need. Handing the government some money and having them deal with it, does not absolve us from our duty.


4. As I mentioned above, the reason you don't fit into any party, and the reason most of us don't, is because all the political parties today, including the "libertarian party", are not fighting for liberty, as the founders of this country intended. Today, they all want their version of this corruption game to be implemented, they don't actually want liberty. Liberty says, "In God we trust". Today's parties say, "In government we trust."

Nov 28th 2012 new

We have not always had a progressive tax. We did not even have an income tax before the early 20th century.

(Quote) Marianne-100218 said: In America we have always had a progressive tax. And since America is turning to Obama...
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In America we have always had a progressive tax. And since America is turning to Obamacare, where are Canadians going to
go when they need an operation and don't want or can't wait on the "operation" line? Your "go to" place is gone.

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Nov 28th 2012 new
If you want government to intervene domestically, youre a liberal. If you want government to intervene overseas, youre a conservative. If you want government to intervene everywhere, youre a moderate. If you dont want government to intervene anywhere, youre an extremist. - Joseph Sobran
Nov 29th 2012 new

(Quote) John-336509 said: (Quote) James-17080 said: Hi Ron et alia,I sure am glad to ...
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James-17080 said:



Hi Ron et alia,

I sure am glad to hear that health care is not a right. Good! Close all those VA hospitals, and all the vets can sign up for Blue Cross. Right?



James ☺


This is a non-sequitor. The VA health system exists as payment for services rendered, not as an inherent human right.

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No, it isn't a non-sequitur. Besides, nobody asked me if I wanted to pay the bill. I wasn't even given the chance to opt-out of sending soldiers to Iraq. Talk about your loss of freedom!

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Jim ☺

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