(Quote) Jerry-74383 said:
(Quote) Meg-920823 said:
I understand that the annulment investigation ...
(Quote) Jerry-74383 said:
Quote: Meg-920823 said:
I understand that the annulment investigation is to determine whether a Sacramental marriage ever existed. Were there impediments that prevented one or both from making a kmowledgeable, mature, life time commitment. If one has mental issues, is deceptive with himself and/or others, emotionally immature etc., then perhaps there never was a marriage. I liken it to a real estate sale in which the seller doesn't own the house but claims to. He can't sell it to you because he does not have that ability. Another example would be of a twelve year old making a lifetime vow. (Some adults are emotionally twelve years old although they may have learned to mask it.)
This is a very good description. The only change that needs to be made is to change the word 'sacramental' to 'valid'. If both spouses are baptized Christians, the two are one and the same; however, if either (or both) were not baptized at the time of the marriage the marriage may be valid if there was no defect of consent and no impediments were present, but it will not be sacramental.
Stating it another way: if the marriage was valid at its inception, a decree of nullity can't be issued regardless of what happens after that. The tribunal will look at events during the marriage for evidence of impediments or lack of valid consent at the inception, but the events don't change the marital status.
The term 'annulment' is misleading for many because it sounds like a verb -- that is, the the status of the marriage is being changed (annulled); in actuality it is a noun, being short for 'decree of nullity' (a statement that the marriage was null at its inception).
Jerry, I've read and re-read and while your post may be factual, I find it highly confusing! Worse, I thought I saw the other day where you corrected Lisa Duffy on the use of "valid" and said it should be "sacramental."
I'd just like to remind you that this is a very painful topic, brother, and according to the rules at the top of the page ("This room is for supportive and informative discussion about divorce and/or the annulment process. All posters must have been previously divorced or annulled."), I wonder why you are even posting in here?
For you, it's all black and white with no emotion or children attached to the process. In my own situation, there are no documents which can be produced to independently verify that my spouse was a baptised Christian. Given that he is a convicted felon and was when I married him, given his documented behavior of theft and fraud during our brief marriage, it's entirely possible that he just said he was baptised to get what he wanted at the time. People do stuff like that.
The whole annulment process was so incredibly painful for me that it caused me to stick a for sale sign in my front yard and move out of my archdiocese. As your posts suggest, the process is quite nuanced. Each poster will have the peace of mind they seek reviled to them as he/she goes through the process and possibly years afterwards. Until you have walked a mile in our shoes, I really feel that CM would be better served without your posts in this room.