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This room is for discussion related to learning about the faith (Catechetics), defense of the Faith (Apologetics), the Liturgy and canon law, motivated by a desire to grow closer to Christ or to bring someone else closer.

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Dec 4th 2012 new

(Quote) John-220051 said: The gay activists are an arrogant lot who have repeatedly shown they cannot be trusted. Today they say th...
(Quote) John-220051 said: The gay activists are an arrogant lot who have repeatedly shown they cannot be trusted. Today they say that churches will not have to "marry" two people of the same sex, but once it is legal in all 50 states they will want churches that refuse to do so ostracized the way churches that don't do interracial marriages are.

These people are untrustworthy.
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do you have an ounce of charity within you? can you say the things you say without taking such a nasty tone? this tone and attitude give catholics a bad name.

Dec 5th 2012 new

(Quote) Sally-894891 said: I think it's just the American mentality I guess in comparison to my mentality. I was...
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I think it's just the American mentality I guess in comparison to my mentality. I was raised to be open-minded and to respect everyone'sdecision to the extend where it doesn't hurt me or it doesn't hurt anyone else it's their life not mine and God will judge them for it. I was raised to focus on my life rather than focusing on other people's life's and decisions. In America it's still a huge thing when someone gay is for example in the government. We don't have that here as there are actually quite a few people in the Dutch government that are gay. I, personally, with my beliefs and morals don't like it. Let there not be any misunderstanding about it! But what do you expect to do about it? discriminate them from society, not hiring them, not giving them a future?? I specifically said not to ever be afraid to express your opinion. But there's a time and place for everything. In the classroom when they were teaching us the facts about the subject it was and is not a time and place to express my opinion about it. And I'm not sure how it works in America, but here under no means is a teacher allowed to use their authority to push on their beliefs and opinions. They are there to do their job and not have their personal life involved.

I also don't really understand how you can judge?? Honestly I don't judge anyone and it's rather saddening to hear that you do, or the American society does. The forum is a time and place where one can express their opinion, so I will. I just wonder if you judge whether you have understood God's words? All you can do is judge yourself, see other people's actions and think very deeply how this applies or doesn't apply to you. I truly believe actions speak louder than words, and I truly believe we were not placed on this earth to push our own beliefs in other people throats. It's the 21st century, people are more than capable of finding out the truth for themselves. If you go and openly tell them that what they are doing is wrong, first of they will not listen as it is human nature too do exactly the oppisote and secondly what you are doing is not letting them respect you. I have ALWAYS had respect from other people. No matter what their beliefs were or their actions in life, and I think it's because I respected them. And it just keeps surprising me that the country that is supposed to be the number 1 multi-cultural and free country is so divided in groups and unrespectful to other people's opinion and lifestyle. Let your way of life change people, and honestly this has happened to me. That through my way of living people were curious wanted to know more and learned and changed from me because they seeked the knowledge themselves.

The evil in this world is growing and growing, and good people can not change that. Don't you believe in our savior coming? Our savior will come and he is the only one that can change the evil in good. Just focus on yourself and your children instead of focusing on other people.

Again I don't think anyone in this forum agree's with me on this subject, as I can tell by no one liking my posts in this thread. But that's ok. I know myself and I know my thoughts and this is my opinion. Agree or don't agree with it, but I'm not going to waste more energy on this subject. I said and made my views clear enough I think.

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A short summary of this would be: The more an immoral action is tolerated, the more acceptable it becomes in society.

Dec 5th 2012 new
(Quote) David-364112 said: I agree. I suppport civil unions which would accord same sex couples most of the same lega...
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I agree. I suppport civil unions which would accord same sex couples most of the same legal rights as marriage but without calling it a marriage.

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Civil unions my foot!!! That's just camouflage; a trojan horse used to open the doors to legal so-called marriage. It's trash.
Dec 5th 2012 new
(Quote) Edward-512961 said: Civil unions my foot!!! That's just camouflage; a trojan horse used to open the doors to legal...
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Civil unions my foot!!! That's just camouflage; a trojan horse used to open the doors to legal so-called marriage. It's trash.
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Is your foot gay??? Civil unions would give them what they ask w/o according them "married" status. What's wrong with that?
Dec 6th 2012 new
(Quote) David-364112 said: Is your foot gay??? Civil unions would give them what they ask w/o according them "married" stat...
(Quote) David-364112 said: Is your foot gay???

Civil unions would give them what they ask w/o according them "married" status. What's wrong with that?
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Everything is wrong with that; there is no right. It's just that simple.

Leviticus 18:22: "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."
Dec 6th 2012 new

(Quote) Edward-512961 said: Everything is wrong with that; there is no right. It's just that simple. Leviticus ...
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Everything is wrong with that; there is no right. It's just that simple.

Leviticus 18:22: "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."
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Absolutely. But the Mosaic law does not govern the United States. Civil unions are the best alternative to avert our nation from recognizing a same sex union as a marriage.


You never answered my question about that foot of yours. Let's name her Nancy. wink

Dec 6th 2012 new

(Quote) Ray-566531 said: A short summary of this would be: The more an immoral action is tolerated, the more acceptable it b...
(Quote) Ray-566531 said:

A short summary of this would be: The more an immoral action is tolerated, the more acceptable it becomes in society.

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How do we exercise charity and intolerance at the same time? We must treat others with dignity and respect. We must also use our rights as citizens to oppose same-sex marriage and other items in the gay agenda.

Dec 6th 2012 new

(Quote) David-364112 said: Absolutely. But the Mosaic law does not govern the United States. Civil unions are the best a...
(Quote) David-364112 said:


Absolutely. But the Mosaic law does not govern the United States. Civil unions are the best alternative to avert our nation from recognizing a same sex union as a marriage.


You never answered my question about that foot of yours. Let's name her Nancy.

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Most states have civil union laws. That has not stopped the militant gays in those states from demanding marriage. In fact it has emboldened them to demand more.

All the supposed benefits (except tax status) were avaiable to anyone in every state via properly executed trust and agency documents before any of this silliness started.

Unfortunately, we live in a society today that is ruled by the nuts in it. Truth and reality are ignored and feelings have become the standard.

Dec 6th 2012 new

Agreed, I have a lesbian cousin and a lesbian aunt. They know where I stand, yet I'm respectful towards them and to their significant others. Would i attend a "wedding"? No. Would they understand? I think so. Would I understand if they refused to attend my wedding (God willing) because I hadn't attended theirs. I guess so...

I have heard Catholics say, "So-called Christians are so judgemental. Why don't they just let God judge homosexuals?" I'm like, Just stating your opinion and belief is not judging. Saying, I believe you are going to go to Hell because you're a homosexual is a judgment.

Dec 6th 2012 new

(Quote) David-364112 said: How do we exercise charity and intolerance at the same time? We must treat others wi...
(Quote) David-364112 said:


How do we exercise charity and intolerance at the same time? We must treat others with dignity and respect. We must also use our rights as citizens to oppose same-sex marriage and other items in the gay agenda.

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This brings us back to "love the sinner; hate the sin." We can certainly treat others with dignity, respect, and charity -- all of the God-given human rights, without lending approval of their actions. Sometimes it's a delicate balance or akin to walking on a tightrope.

Certainly we should be vocal as Catholics and citizens to oppose same-sex marriage. The problem is too many citizens, including Catholics, have been silent on these issues, which has allowed the gay agenda to advance and take hold.

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