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(CNN) -- Therapy aimed at turning gay kids straight will soon be illegal in California, with the state's governor declaring he hopes a new law will relegate such efforts "to the dustbin of quackery."

The legislation -- which the state Senate passed in May, Gov. Jerry Brown signed into law this weekend and will take effect January 1 -- prohibits attempts to change the sexual orientation of patients under age 18.

www.cnn.com

Jan 4th 2013 new

(Quote) John-711000 said: (CNN) -- Therapy aimed at turning gay kids straight will soon be illegal in Calif...
(Quote) John-711000 said:

(CNN) -- Therapy aimed at turning gay kids straight will soon be illegal in California, with the state's governor declaring he hopes a new law will relegate such efforts "to the dustbin of quackery."

The legislation -- which the state Senate passed in May, Gov. Jerry Brown signed into law this weekend and will take effect January 1 -- prohibits attempts to change the sexual orientation of patients under age 18.

www.cnn.com

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In a free society I don't think conversion therapy should be banned, but most know it's a waste of time. Governor Brown is not a good proponent of democracy. A lesbian former coworker once told me that if she were straight she could go for me, laughing but it just wasn't possible for her. Despite what these Christian fundamentalists believe, it isn't a choice. If it was, you or I could wake up one morning and say, "You know I think I'll choose a lifestyle where I will suffer physical and emotional abuse and be ostracised by my friends and family." I know there are some Catholics who share many protestant fundamentalist views, and I mean no disrespect to them. Just my two cents

Jan 4th 2013 new

Hi John,


Just to bring you up to date on the most recent development concerning this issue...


Refer to the article below titled "California Gay Conversion Therapy Ban (temporarily) Blocked by Court"


>> www.bloomberg.com


I don't know much about the efficacy of such therapies, if they are even just quackery or if there are truly useful therapies. My tendency is to think that the CA legislature and governor are probably least equipped (professionally) to understand or determine if such things can be useful. I think that it may be best if they would just stay out of this issue completely, and let the professional medical/psychological/psychiatric societies address it. I would prefer that the CA legislature and governor stick to balancing the budget and efficiently running the state. They are woefully inadequate concerning the things for which they are most responsible. I can't imagine that they would serve any useful purpose venturing into medical/psychological/psychiatric issues.


But then, I may just be a disillusioned California resident. scratchchin


Ed

Jan 4th 2013 new

(Quote) ED-20630 said: Hi John, Just to bring you up to date on the most recent development concerning this issue...
(Quote) ED-20630 said:

Hi John,


Just to bring you up to date on the most recent development concerning this issue...


Refer to the article below titled "California Gay Conversion Therapy Ban (temporarily) Blocked by Court"


>> www.bloomberg.com


I don't know much about the efficacy of such therapies, if they are even just quackery or if there are truly useful therapies. My tendency is to think that the CA legislature and governor are probably least equipped (professionally) to understand or determine if such things can be useful. I think that it may be best if they would just stay out of this issue completely, and let the professional medical/psychological/psychiatric societies address it. I would prefer that the CA legislature and governor stick to balancing the budget and efficiently running the state. They are woefully inadequate concerning the things for which they are most responsible. I can't imagine that they would serve any useful purpose venturing into medical/psychological/psychiatric issues.


But then, I may just be a disillusioned California resident.


Ed

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Thanks for the update Ed, it's good the court blocked it, whether or not it can actually work is not the main issue. The real issue is parental rights. I also see this legislation as an attempt by the homosexual lobby to allow the homosexual pedophiles a chance to 'turn' these very impressionable young people into homosexuals.

As far as the therapy being affective I can only say it sounds probable, all one has to do is reverse what they are doing. An example.. how did these people become this way? what is the root cause (?) If you took all the porn off the shelfs, shut down all the prostitution houses, shut down all the 'toy' manufactering and sales. and anything else that supports adulterated sex, you would probably find a great reduction in homosexual proliferation in both men and women.

I can only hope that this court order stands. These people who have promoted this bill are child predetors and they are using a legal cover, plus, the sin of public pandering to grab these children. We should have no doubt the promoters of this bill are wolf in sheeps clothing and they need to be seen for what they truly are.

Jan 4th 2013 new

(Quote) ED-20630 said: Hi John, Just to bring you up to date on the most recent development concerning this issue...
(Quote) ED-20630 said:

Hi John,


Just to bring you up to date on the most recent development concerning this issue...


Refer to the article below titled "California Gay Conversion Therapy Ban (temporarily) Blocked by Court"


>> www.bloomberg.com


I don't know much about the efficacy of such therapies, if they are even just quackery or if there are truly useful therapies. My tendency is to think that the CA legislature and governor are probably least equipped (professionally) to understand or determine if such things can be useful. I think that it may be best if they would just stay out of this issue completely, and let the professional medical/psychological/psychiatric societies address it. I would prefer that the CA legislature and governor stick to balancing the budget and efficiently running the state. They are woefully inadequate concerning the things for which they are most responsible. I can't imagine that they would serve any useful purpose venturing into medical/psychological/psychiatric issues.


But then, I may just be a disillusioned California resident.


Ed

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Since you are a resident of a state which really is on the edge of going broke, I think you are right in saying that
the State should stick to "running the state." This intervention has nothing to do with that function.

Jan 4th 2013 new

(Quote) Peter-449116 said: In a free society I don't think conversion therapy should be banned, but most know it's a...
(Quote) Peter-449116 said:

In a free society I don't think conversion therapy should be banned, but most know it's a waste of time. Governor Brown is not a good proponent of democracy. A lesbian former coworker once told me that if she were straight she could go for me, but it just wasn't possible for her. Despite what these Christian fundamentalists believe, it isn't a choice. If it was, you or I could wake up one morning and say, "You know I think I'll choose a lifestyle where I will suffer physical and emotional abuse and be ostracised by my friends and family." I know there are some Catholics who share many protestant fundamentalist views, and I mean no disrespect to them. Just my

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Well, was she pretty, or not?

Jan 4th 2013 new

(Quote) Marianne-100218 said: Well, was she pretty, or not?
(Quote) Marianne-100218 said:



Well, was she pretty, or not?

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laughing Not my type, I'm afraid. She wore a ball cap to cover her bald spot and had chin whiskers! She was a good person though, and helped me through a rough patch at work earlier in my career.

Jan 5th 2013 new

(Quote) Peter-449116 said: Not my type, I'm afraid. She wore a ball cap to cover her bald spot and had chin whiskers! Sh...
(Quote) Peter-449116 said:

Not my type, I'm afraid. She wore a ball cap to cover her bald spot and had chin whiskers! She was a good person though, and helped me through a rough patch at work earlier in my career.

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You see, gay men are usually groomed to the hilt, and gay women who are not the "lipstick" type are pretty
ungroomed. Oh well.

Jan 5th 2013 new

(Quote) John-711000 said: (CNN) -- Therapy aimed at turning gay kids straight will soon be illegal in Calif...
(Quote) John-711000 said:

(CNN) -- Therapy aimed at turning gay kids straight will soon be illegal in California, with the state's governor declaring he hopes a new law will relegate such efforts "to the dustbin of quackery."

The legislation -- which the state Senate passed in May, Gov. Jerry Brown signed into law this weekend and will take effect January 1 -- prohibits attempts to change the sexual orientation of patients under age 18.

www.cnn.com

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Well, they don't prohibit nosejobs for kids under 18. The government should stay out of it.

Jan 6th 2013 new

(Quote) Peter-449116 said: In a free society I don't think conversion therapy should be banned, but most know it's a...
(Quote) Peter-449116 said:

In a free society I don't think conversion therapy should be banned, but most know it's a waste of time. Governor Brown is not a good proponent of democracy. A lesbian former coworker once told me that if she were straight she could go for me, but it just wasn't possible for her. Despite what these Christian fundamentalists believe, it isn't a choice. If it was, you or I could wake up one morning and say, "You know I think I'll choose a lifestyle where I will suffer physical and emotional abuse and be ostracised by my friends and family." I know there are some Catholics who share many protestant fundamentalist views, and I mean no disrespect to them. Just my

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Peter, might try reading this introduction to a book by Dr. Joseph Nicolosi called "Reparative Therapy of Male Homosexuality" before you say that Reparative Therapy is a waste of time.

narth.com


Here is Dr. Nicholosi's bio...

Biographical Information:
Joseph Nicolosi, Ph.D.

Dr. Nicolosi graduated from the New School for Social Research (M.A.) and received his Ph.D. in Clinical Psychology from the California School of Professional Psychology, Los Angeles. He is licensed as a psychologist in California.

In 1980, he founded the Thomas Aquinas Psychological Clinic in Encino, California, and has served since then as Clinical Director. Although he works with a wide variety of clients, his specialty is the treatment of men who wish to diminish their same-sex attractions and develop their heterosexual potential.

Dr. Nicolosi is one of three founding members--and former President--of the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH), a 1,000-member professional association founded in 1992 (http://www.narth.com). NARTH’s goal is –

To support mental-health professionals who work with same-sex-attracted clients seeking change. To promote respect within the mental-health profession for worldview diversity—whether a person seeks to identify as gay, or to work toward developing his heterosexual potential.

The NARTH website is viewed by over 100,000 visitors each month. It is the only secular group in the U.S. which protects the rights of therapists to counsel clients with unwanted homosexuality.


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