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Jan 23rd 2013 new

(Quote) Jerry-74383 said: Does he need the military when he has his paramilitary goon squads ...
(Quote) Jerry-74383 said:

Does he need the military when he has his paramilitary goon squads (TSA, IRS, etc.). If reports circulating on the Internet are even close to accurate, these organizations may have more small arms ammunition than the military itself. If the majority of the military is deployed overseas (or has been decimated), they won't be in a position to interfere.

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It would be a brave soldier who would refuse to obey a lawful order from his commander. Your soldiers have fired on civilians in America before without question in the name of Homeland Security, as have the Police, The FBI first job was to hunt "undesirables" and were in existence long before the CIA or NSA. I refer to te New York riot in 1854, the "protection of Hawaii" in 1890, the "Communist agitators of the 1930s and 1950s.

I think you would find the engineering of an event of Mass Hysteria would be the easiest trigger down the slippery slope, especial with the 5th Admenment and your eggar media

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Jan 23rd 2013 new

(Quote) Steven-706921 said: You also have several people at command level that Obama put in, as well as agents of:<...
(Quote) Steven-706921 said:

You also have several people at command level that Obama put in, as well as agents of:

The BATF, FBI, IRS, NSA, CIA....

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Dont be too upset fellahs. We have the Offical Secrets Act but most importantly we have the Emergency Powers Act. The EPA allows detention without trial, suspension of habeus corpus, martial law, suspension of the legal protections, closure of the Parliament and loss of Independence of the Judicary, Special Constables and the arming of the Police under Military authority and all done by a single signature by the Governor-General and thats that.

You may have 4 bullets for every citizen but our Military has 1 rifle for every citizen stored around the country should the need become neccessary, such as the Emergency Powers Act or invassion, but who would want to invade us!!!!

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Jan 23rd 2013 new

(Quote) Patrick-624504 said: The name MacCathur mean anything to you? Your system actually makes it easy to bring a...
(Quote) Patrick-624504 said:

The name MacCathur mean anything to you? Your system actually makes it easy to bring about a dictatorship, If 6 key people co-operate, The Majority Leader, the Minority Leader, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, and the leaders of the Senate, and of Course either the Vice or President they can force a State of Emergency under the Homeland Security Act which allows for the suspension of Habeus Corpus and impose Martial Law, from there its just a mater of using the media to feed the approved story, a fall guy or two and hey presto alcahzam Osama is the boy.

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Lincoln did it, And he ran the country like a dictator, until shoot and killed. he arrested anyone who disagree with him.

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Jan 23rd 2013 new

(Quote) Patrick-624504 said: The Loan ceiling, Fiscal Cliff, Gun Control, the Euro, Bank reform are also good examp...
(Quote) Patrick-624504 said:

The Loan ceiling, Fiscal Cliff, Gun Control, the Euro, Bank reform are also good examples of democracy in action (read it ether way)

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Patrick,

The problem here is that the system in place here in the US is a corrupted version of what was intended with our constitution some 210 years ago.

I think there are more than a few Americans who would concede (privately, of course) it doesn't work. (Forget about your examples for a moment; our national debt is the most obvious evidence.)



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Jan 23rd 2013 new

(Quote) Steven-706921 said: Is a Monarchy, based on Divine origin (not divine rights) and thus divine obligation more condus...
(Quote) Steven-706921 said:

Is a Monarchy, based on Divine origin (not divine rights) and thus divine obligation more condusive to peace than a factional republic?

To those that say monarchs had all sorts of wars, may I simply point out that the 19th and 20th centuries, the centuries that saw the growth and entrenchment of liberal "democracy" as the standard government is also the centuries that saw the most destructive wars in human history, starting with the Napoleonic War and going to WWII.

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so are you saying napoleon was not a dictator?

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Jan 23rd 2013 new

(Quote) Patrick-624504 said: No He didnt. Beware the Ides of March. The army was loyal to itself and its own intere...
(Quote) Patrick-624504 said:

No He didnt. Beware the Ides of March. The army was loyal to itself and its own interest. Pliny Older and Younger along with Gibbons Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire all demonstrate the Loyalty" of the Roman Army, ask Caligula and Nero how loyal their troops were

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Are you just trolling? The fact that Ceasar was murdered by some politicians hardly demonstrates that his troops weren't personally loyal to him. Likewise the events from later generations are incapable of speaking to the fact that the Republic fell to Ceasar who had the personal loyalty of his troops. And to the extent that they can be claimed to be relevant, Caligula was popular with the army when he ascended the throne, and lost the throne when he lost their support. This would support, not negate, the premise that the loyalty of the army was important. Likewise, Nero lost power when the army abandoned him.

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Jan 23rd 2013 new

(Quote) Patrick-624504 said: That depends on your definition of Colonisation. New South Wales was a Pennal settleme...
(Quote) Patrick-624504 said:

That depends on your definition of Colonisation. New South Wales was a Pennal settlement for 150 years before it became a semi self ruled Colony in 1828, Victoria and Queensland were part of NSW until 1800, even New Zealand was part of NSW until 1860, and can by Australian Constitution of 1901 become a State of Australia- what a horrible thought having to accept all those Australians as New Zealanders

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As has already been pointed out, the government of Australia disagrees with your version of events. It is probably not surprising you aren't providing any sources to back up your claims.

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Jan 23rd 2013 new

(Quote) Thomas-699657 said: Lincoln did it, And he ran the country like a dictator, until shoot and killed. he arrested anyo...
(Quote) Thomas-699657 said:

Lincoln did it, And he ran the country like a dictator, until shoot and killed. he arrested anyone who disagree with him.

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rolling eyes

A bit over the top, aren't we?

How much would you care to bet it would be easily possible to find any number of politidians who disagreed with him and were never arrested?

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Jan 23rd 2013 new

(Quote) John-336509 said: As has already been pointed out, the government of Australia disagrees with your...
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As has already been pointed out, the government of Australia disagrees with your version of events. It is probably not surprising you aren't providing any sources to back up your claims.

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Only because they didn't open there mouth and kept it to them selves because they were worried for there political lives.

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Jan 23rd 2013 new

(Quote) Thomas-699657 said: Only because they didn't open there mouth and kept it to them selves because they were worri...
(Quote) Thomas-699657 said:

Only because they didn't open there mouth and kept it to them selves because they were worried for there political lives.

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(Why, oh why, does the :afbd: emoticom not work anymore?!)

Seriously, why do you say stuff like that? Nobody is dumb enough to believe it. There were any number of politicians who publicly opposed him and were not arrested. There were hordes of citizens who publicly opposed him in the papers and in public who were not arrested.

If you want to come across as a conspiracy theory nut, I guess that's your business. If you want to come across as a reasonable person, you might want to think about making reasonable concessions when you're called on hyperbole.

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