(Quote) Mike-41230 said:
Nope, JP II consecrated the world, not Russia to Mary's Immaculate Heart in 1984. In 1984 the H...
(Quote) Mike-41230 said:
Nope, JP II consecrated the world, not Russia to Mary's Immaculate Heart in 1984. In 1984 the Holy Father himself acknowledged in the presence of tens of thousands of witnesses, both during and after the ceremony, that the people of Russia were still “awaiting our consecration and confiding.” The next day these statements were reported in the Pope’s own newspaper, L’Osservatore Romano, and the Italian Bishops’ publication, Avvenire. Right after the 1984 consecration Sister Lucy said that it did not fulfill Heaven's request. I don't believe that Sister Lucy changed her mind later to say the 1984 consecration did fulfill Heaven's request. It was typed out where every letter from Sister Lucy beforehand was hand written.
The promises of a proper consecration of Russia to Mary's Immaculate Heart are that Russia would be converted and a period of peace would be given to the world. 29 years after the consecration of the world by JP II in 1984 Russia has not converted to the One True Catholic Faith, nor have we seen a period of peace. The promises of a proper consecration of Russia is also suppose to prevent the annihilation of nations. Haiti, Iraq, the Arab Spring, Syria, the Tokushima disaster in Japan, 300,000 Catholic martyrs in East Timor before it got it's independence in 1999 and I could go on. Would you call that the annihilation of nations? I'm sure some people in those countries may.
On May 13, 2010 in his homily at Fatima, as reported by Vatican Information Service, Pope Benedict said, “We would be mistaken to think that Fatima’s prophetic message is complete.”
You can read it yourself from the Vatican web site, 8th paragraph.
For the 10 years before Pope Benedict said this above the official story on Fatima was that it was complete. In the 2000 release of the Third Secret it was reported that the assassination attempt on JP II was the "Pope in white" from the Third Secret. I wonder what changed Pope Benedict's mind.
Sr.Lucia said that the Consecration was what had been requested and had been accepted by Heaven. If, as the site you drew your info from is correct, then Sr Lucia took part in a massive lie by the Vatican. An unlikely occurrence for a visionary who enjoyed that intimate contact with Our Lady her whole life after Fatima.
If Sr. Lucia lied about that, then she probably lied about the appearances in the first place. If that is true, then all of us have wasted our time paying attention to an approved apparition that had not happened. That would mean, that although Rome's approval of Fatima was not done ex cathera, it has falsely been exhorting the faithful to pay attention to something that never happened. In that case, your concern that the proper consecration has not been done is a waste of time as no consecration had actually been asked for.
That in itself would create a house of cards for EVERYTHING the Vatican has said or done since Fatima. In that case, Contrary to Christ's statement that the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church, the gates of hell have prevailed and Christ was a liar. If He is a liar He cannot possibly be God and if He were not God everyone who has followed Christ, without exception, including yourself have wasted their time on this whole nonsense of Religion.
That is exactly where the reasoning behind the statements you are quoting lead. Is that what you really want to maintain.
Mind you, the Church does not require any of us to pay any attention to any private revelation, even an approved one. So we are all free to believe or not believe in Fatima. But if we choose to believe that the Fatima revelations were true, then we must follow the Church. And if we follow the Church , and the Church has the letter that Sr. Lucia wrote expressing heavens approval of the 1984 Consecration, we must logically accept the fact that the proper Consecration occurred.
Sorry, Mike, I have read web site after web site on the issue. The singular most obvious thing about the web sites who insist the Consecration never took place is that they are all schismatic sites. There are others who in a neutral way merely report the arguments from both sides but do not take a stand, leaving it to the reader to make up their own mind.
But the single fact that cannot be disputed is that Sr. Lucy did say that the 1984 Consecration was what was asked for by our Lady and the Pope's action in concert with over 2200 Bishops world wide was accepted by heaven.
No site taking the position that the Consecration has not properly occurred, nor you, has been able to present any proof that Sr. Lucy did not say what she said. That single fact alone destroys the anti arguments.