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Saint Thomas More was martyred during the Protestant Reformation for standing firm in the Faith and not recognizing the King of England as the Supreme Head of the Church.
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Feb 11th 2013 new

(Quote) Linda-756196 said: So, does this mean the church recognizes two head of churches? Two infallible men?
(Quote) Linda-756196 said:

So, does this mean the church recognizes two head of churches? Two infallible men?

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If the Pope abdicates his Petrine throne, he's no longer the Pope and then no longer exercises the prerogative of infalliblity in defining doctrine concerning faith and morals given to the Prince of the Apostles.

There is only one Pope at any given time.

Feb 11th 2013 new

(Quote) William-675153 said: The Pope is not an infallible man, hes a sinner too, like other Popes are.
(Quote) William-675153 said:

The Pope is not an infallible man, hes a sinner too, like other Popes are.

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Infallible is neither equal nor equivalent to sinless.

Impeccable is the word which is equated to the concept "inability to commit sin."

Infallible is a word which means an inability to fail in the transmission of the truths of divine and Catholic faith, characterized in an irrevocable, irreformable and inerrant proposition.

While the Pope, as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, does not always define doctrine concerning faith or morals by his supreme apostolic authority to be held by the whole Church, when he does so, he is certainly exercising the infallible magisterium which our Lord promised in St. Peter. This is divinely revealed dogma, as taught in the First Vatican Council...to have the temerity to reject the definition of the Pope's ability to speak infallibly ex cathedra is to make one's self anathema (as the Council states).

Feb 11th 2013 new

There is supposed to be a special on the Pope's resignation on EWTN at 7:00 Central Time.

Blessings, Praying Praying Praying

Leon

Feb 11th 2013 new

(Quote) Therese-668052 said: Are you sure Bernard? Because I read in a different document that He will become the first Roman ponti...
(Quote) Therese-668052 said: Are you sure Bernard? Because I read in a different document that He will become the first Roman pontiff since Celestine V in 1294 to resign from the Chair of Peter.
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Pope Gregory XII resigned the papal throne in 1415 after convoking the Council of Constance, two years later Martin V was elected Pope in November 1417, but Gregory had already died by this time (October 1417).

Pope Celestine V resigned the papal throne in December 1294, but was still living for about two years after Boniface VIII was elected Pope later that same December.

So, technically, it's been approximately 600 years since the last abdication.

Feb 11th 2013 new

(Quote) Leon-593843 said: There is supposed to be a special on the Pope's resignation on EWTN at 7:00 Central Time.<...
(Quote) Leon-593843 said:

There is supposed to be a special on the Pope's resignation on EWTN at 7:00 Central Time.

Blessings,

Leon

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Thanks, Leon, for letting us know - I just turned it on!

Feb 11th 2013 new

Thanks Chelsea for clarifying. I knew there was something missing regarding infallibility- It is the proposition from Peter's Throne to be considered infallible. Correct??

Feb 11th 2013 new

(Quote) William-675153 said: Thanks Chelsea for clarifying. I knew there was something missing regarding infallibility- It i...
(Quote) William-675153 said:

Thanks Chelsea for clarifying. I knew there was something missing regarding infallibility- It is the proposition from Peter's Throne to be considered infallible. Correct??

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William - the proposition is called infallible, and the Pope also possesses a charism, infallibility, in speaking ex cathedra.

Feb 11th 2013 new

(Quote) Josephine-586127 said: Oops....resigning during Lent.
(Quote) Josephine-586127 said:

Oops....resigning during Lent.
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If you give it some more thought, you could see that it makes a lot of sense.

In all likelihood, the new Pope would be elected and assume office before the Holy Week and Easter services which are truly grueling for someone of any age.

That alone could be the reason that he did it now.

All other speculation is a waste of time. Just take the Pope at his word for why he is taking this serious step. Why would he lie?

If there was really "palace" or political intrigue involved it would have been easier to just assassinate him like the conspiracy nuts say happened to John Paul !

Feb 11th 2013 new

(Quote) Linda-756196 said: So, does this mean the church recognizes two head of churches? Two infallible men?
(Quote) Linda-756196 said:

So, does this mean the church recognizes two head of churches? Two infallible men?

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No! AT 2000 hours on February 28th Rome time, Pope Benedict XVI ceases to be Pope and only the man elected to follow him will be the one and only Pope ruling the Church with infallibility when officially speaking on Faith and Morals.

He might still be referred to as Pope Benedict XVI. But that will be more a recognition of the post he did hold but no longer does so. Just as we refer to our past Presidents as President Bush or President Clinton, etc.

Feb 11th 2013 new
(Quote) Paul-866591 said: If you give it some more thought, you could see that it makes a lot of sense. In ...
(Quote) Paul-866591 said:



If you give it some more thought, you could see that it makes a lot of sense.



In all likelihood, the new Pope would be elected and assume office before the Holy Week and Easter services which are truly grueling for someone of any age.



That alone could be the reason that he did it now.



All other speculation is a waste of time. Just take the Pope at his word for why he is taking this serious step. Why would he lie?



If there was really "palace" or political intrigue involved it would have been easier to just assassinate him like the conspiracy nuts say happened to John Paul !



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Thank you for your opinion Paul.
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