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02/17/2013 new

(Quote) Ronald-937125 said: I would think that the church wouldn't recommend this drug viagra or any other drug ...
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I would think that the church wouldn't recommend this drug viagra or any other drug to help a couples sex life; I think that you are right though in that it would not be a sin to use it. There are probably natural supplements or certain types of foods that would help a persons sex life; I know that I have seen ads for things like this that seem to be safer than viagra.

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Ronald.. The church isn't 'recommending Viagra.. Viagra is prescribed by a doctor to assist in the treatment of a medical problem that affects MANY men.. It is a circulatory system medication that increases blood flow to many parts of the body..The penis being one of those parts.. It is actually not safe to take if you don't have the medical problem that it's needed for.

02/17/2013 new

(Quote) Ronald-937125 said: (Quote) Lauren-927923 said: Regardless, prayerful consideration ...
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Regardless, prayerful consideration and study of all new technologies, including drug therapies, should be undertaken by the couple together.




Where did the above sentence come from; I guess you made it up, since it's not in the Catechism?

I don't think that any drug therapies are safe even if not immoral or a sin.

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For whatever it's worth, I didn't read that particular statement as being anything more than her personal opinion. I don't understand the reason for your condescending remark ("I guess you made it up"), as her advice appears to be entirely consistent with the way we should be living our faith.

02/18/2013 new

(Quote) Donna-83441 said: Ummm..You guys can laugh but my understanding is that there is pain associated with a...
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Ummm..You guys can laugh but my understanding is that there is pain associated with a continous erection akin to being kicked there over and over.

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(Donna) Ouch!! Ouch!!

02/18/2013 new

(Quote) Carole-893801 said: Exactly!!!! Everything is not black and white. I guess I was tired of reading the MANY view poin...
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Exactly!!!! Everything is not black and white. I guess I was tired of reading the MANY view points from MEN re: what we should and should not do with our bodies, how we are wrong and even at time eluding to we are the route to all evil. I just wanted to put a twist to the discussions.
Eileen, I'm truly sorry to hear of your and your family's difficulties. I didn't mean to cause you any pain.

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Carole I think you first brought this topic up in a thread about abortion. If you are referring to abortion when you say "I was tired of reading the MANY view points from MEN re: what we should and should not do with our bodies"... I would just say the baby's body is the baby's body, not the woman's. No one has the right to take an innocent life at any stage of developement.

02/18/2013 new

(Quote) Carole-893801 said: Thank-you Shara... You do seem to be a truly kind Catholic person. Since I no longer can reprodu...
(Quote) Carole-893801 said:

Thank-you Shara... You do seem to be a truly kind Catholic person. Since I no longer can reproduce I may let the subject drop.
My priest once told me..I must do what I think is best for my family and Myself. Do No Harm. That Is an important thing to remember.

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Carole if you asked your priest if you could use contraception and his response was to tell you to do what you thought was best for you and your family, he would have failed to catechize you correctly on the teachings of the Church about the use of contraception. Since converting to Catholicism I have noticed there is a lack of understanding among many Catholics about why contraception is considered a grave evil by the Church; consequently they discount the teaching. The practice of contraception is harmful to all involved - especially to the married couple - and as has been noted before in this thread, many forms of contraception actually cause abortion (i.e., Birth Control pills, IUDs, depo provera, etc.). www.lifeissues.org

You can learn why the Church teaches what she teaches about contraception from a number of resources. Here's one: www.vatican.va and as someone else mentioned Theology of the Body is an excellent teaching on the Church's understanding of human sexuality.

Rather than discounting a teaching of the Church or recommending against a teaching we disagree with, it seems prudent to try to educate ourselves as best we can on why the Church teaches what she teaches, pray to God for understanding and seek wise counsel from someone who is faithful to the magisterial teachings of the Church. We may be past the age of needing contraception but we're never past the age of needing to understand and be obedient to the teachings of the Church! Who knows but that God may bring someone into our lives that needs to hear the truth about contraception? The teachings of the Church are a gift from God for our benefit!!! He wants our happiness and salvation more than we ourselves do - we can trust Him! biggrin

02/18/2013 new

(Quote) Carole-893801 said: Keep in mind I am NOT against Viagra or Birth control ( not Abortion). Both topic are separate a...
(Quote) Carole-893801 said:

Keep in mind I am NOT against Viagra or Birth control ( not Abortion). Both topic are separate and not tied to each other. BUT interesting when viewed together.

Think about both matters seperately.....

Viagra has many medical purposes- agreed. AND it is important for married couples to have intimacy. (Even though I do know women that love their men no less because they are impotent.) I glad the church doesn't frown on Viagra.


That being said. If I already had 5-7+ children, as it truly was the norm in our parents or grandparents time. ...Just think back to your friends with many brothers and sisters OR to the church being full of children on Sundays.. (BEFORE Catholics used birth control) DO you think I would welcome intimacy with my husband? I would want but also fear intimacy. My husband may become impotent just from the stress of thinking about another mouth to feed!

I just want people to think about it and not be closed minded. AND AGAIN I am not talking about ABORTION.

I'm sure there will be those that will not agree, have an argument or even refuse to think about it. And that is fine.

Maybe we need a discussion of birth control options for catholics. That maybe helpful for the younger hopefully soon to be married members. If there is a forum already I apologize for suggesting one.

Also I have been told that this subject ( Viagra birth control) has been discussed at lenght already.... I couldn't find it when I searched. Maybe someone could be kind enough to tell me how I can search it in this site?
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Viagra is fixing a medical condision and does not prevent being open to life. Contraception prevents the creation of life. Jesus when He taught on the commandment of adultery said amen amen I say to you every man that looks at a women in lustful way commits adultery in his mind and he will have to account for ever seed he has spilled on his last day. In other words contraception is a teaching direct from Jesus Christ who is God and no man can change his teaching. It's that simple and it will never change, Because Jesus is the one who made it be.

02/18/2013 new

(Quote) Carole-893801 said: I believe the catholic church should make a decision on whether or not using viagra is again Cat...
(Quote) Carole-893801 said:

I believe the catholic church should make a decision on whether or not using viagra is again Catholic teaching and God.


1)We all believe or asked to believe that abortion for what ever reason is against our teaching and church.
2) We all or are suppose to believe and practice ---NO premarital sex. Though I noticed that it is an option on this site.

If the above it true... Viagra also should be against Catholic believes and practice. God, whether directly or by medication is the one that chooses to make a man impotent. There maybe a very good reason God decided for the man to be impotent. His sperms maybe defective....Why put an innocent child through that misery. GOD is merciful. What gives humans the right to over ride GOD. We should not override GOD's decision in any matter when it comes to reproduction.
SEX is for reproduction and married couples. If sex in a marriage produces a handicapped child at least the child will have two loving parents. Handicapped children born by premarital sex are often raised solely by the mother since the father suddenly realizes that the church does not condone premarital sex.


What do other Catholic males or females think of the above. Agree or disagree and why?

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Carol, I have read this topic through to the last comment and not once did I see where you have posted any websites to back up your arguement. Since you attempted to high-jack two other threads with this topic it is pretty obvious you feel strongly about it. At least back it up.

02/18/2013 new

(Quote) Jerry-74383 said: For whatever it's worth, I didn't read that particular statement as being anythin...
(Quote) Jerry-74383 said:

For whatever it's worth, I didn't read that particular statement as being anything more than her personal opinion. I don't understand the reason for your condescending remark ("I guess you made it up"), as her advice appears to be entirely consistent with the way we should be living our faith.

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Sorry if I confused you but I was confused and a little annoyed by her remark when she grouped her opinion with the catechism…she also didn’t say anything about trying to live a healthier lifestyle and exercising since in my opinion taking drugs are a no-no.

02/19/2013 new

It is a drug, right? I am pretty sure the Church does not have a problem with taking drugs to help in the healing of an illness. I don't either. I do have a question though, what if the drug is used to delay a naturally occuring condition in life? Depending on how you look at it, hormone replacement therapy would fall into this category. Drugs to make your hair thicker, curly or stuff so your hair isn't gray. I question this because I have a medical need to take methadone. I take it very infrequently because I don't like taking drugs of any kind. But I do observe that when taking it I have more energy and less pain. I take it for pain. I have paralysis in my arm and pain with it. The methadone works really well. Why not have the attitude that I should just live with the pain, offer it to God, and get on with my life? The energy I get from the drug is an unexpected side effect and it does bother me. It is kinda like Red Bull. Somehow I don't think a 58 year old man is supposed to be bouncing off the walls. Doesn't seem dignified.

I feel that medical treatments used to delay, or hide aging, like a face lift, augmentation of something, anything, or even fake fingernails is not something a Catholic should do. But I'll bet many people don't agree with me. I wonder, is there a line where it is ok to do one thing, lets say fake fingernails, but not ok to take hormones?

02/20/2013 new

(Quote) Lawrence-943343 said: It is a drug, right? I am pretty sure the Church does not have a problem with taking drugs to ...
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It is a drug, right? I am pretty sure the Church does not have a problem with taking drugs to help in the healing of an illness. I don't either. I do have a question though, what if the drug is used to delay a naturally occuring condition in life? Depending on how you look at it, hormone replacement therapy would fall into this category. Drugs to make your hair thicker, curly or stuff so your hair isn't gray. I question this because I have a medical need to take methadone. I take it very infrequently because I don't like taking drugs of any kind. But I do observe that when taking it I have more energy and less pain. I take it for pain. I have paralysis in my arm and pain with it. The methadone works really well. Why not have the attitude that I should just live with the pain, offer it to God, and get on with my life? The energy I get from the drug is an unexpected side effect and it does bother me. It is kinda like Red Bull. Somehow I don't think a 58 year old man is supposed to be bouncing off the walls. Doesn't seem dignified.

I feel that medical treatments used to delay, or hide aging, like a face lift, augmentation of something, anything, or even fake fingernails is not something a Catholic should do. But I'll bet many people don't agree with me. I wonder, is there a line where it is ok to do one thing, lets say fake fingernails, but not ok to take hormones?

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Lawrence from what I remember, in Introduction to the Devout Life Sr. Francis De Sales offers some good, practical guidelines as far as what is o.k. in caring for one's own appearance, dress, etc. My personal opinion - plastic surgery - unless done to correct something like a disfigurement from an accident, etc. - seems a bit vain. Aging is a natural process - it's really o.k. to look our ages! And couldn't the money be better used helping the poor, and reaping eternal rewards?

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