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Apr 5th 2013 new

(Quote) Peter-449116 said: (Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: I heard on EWTN that during times of persecuti...
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I heard on EWTN that during times of persecution of our faith that the key to changing it was through the culture not politics....makes a lot of sense. He gave the example of shakespeare who did not run for office or start a political party during the Elizabethan age when Catholics were being killed but instead, he wrote plays. If you think about it, this makes a lot of sense. Who owns the culture now except the unreligious liberals? And their values have been spreading everywhere since they started "owning" it.


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I think liberals do own the culture, and conservatives have been largely relegated to a subculture. I use Facebook to keep in touch with distant relatives and friends scattered to the four winds, including former coworkers (I'm retired of course). Some of the latter are not just liberals but flaming liberals. They changed their picture to the pink 'equal' symbol signifying solidarity with the gay 'marriage' movement. The stuff they post is insufferably obnoxious. The reason I don't 'unfriend' them is because I enjoy spirited debate (as you may have noted here on CM). Liberal posts get many supportive comments, while conservative posts are attacked as 'hate speech'- when I respond with my 'hateful' Christian opinions, I'm called names I can't repeat here! While there is certainly plenty of genuine hate speech out there, the term has been used to silence opposition. Catholic teaching on marriage for example has been called 'hate speech.' We have to keep up the good fight!

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I have friends who debate on Facebook and such all of the time. I agree that we have to keep up the good fight. I think the media and the pop culture are trying to dominate and shape our culture... I agree that some from the education realm are trying as well.. good for you for fighting and keep it up!

Apr 5th 2013 new

Social media is being used along with other forms of media. Social Media is dominant in this cultural laboratory we are in.

Apr 5th 2013 new

(Quote) Mary-486033 said: That's not what happened. Cheryl did not randomly bring up Canada. Actually, you described wh...
(Quote) Mary-486033 said: That's not what happened. Cheryl did not randomly bring up Canada. Actually, you described why Cheryl responded, with the mention of Canada in the first place. John is a Canadian who is spouting off (again) about the United States of America...where he personally does not live nor hold citizenship. It didn't happen the other way around.

Canada is our neighbor, ally, and friend. However, when non-citizens make erroneous statements or criticize the USA for not embracing liberal or socialistic ideologies, we will respond in kind.
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I'm actually not criticizing the USA. I'm criticizing a fringe minority of people who hold radical views and consider anything contrary to their ideology a form of communism and/or socialism.

Apr 5th 2013 new

(Quote) Dan-28682 said: The etymology of the word psychology is the greek word "psykhe" which means "breath, ...
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The etymology of the word psychology is the greek word "psykhe" which means "breath, spirit, soul" + "logia" which means "study of" so psychology is the study of the spirit or the soul. Sounds a lot like religion does and in fact a good argument can be made that psychology is really a secular religion...a religion that is often at odds with our Christian beliefs on fundamental topics such as the anthropology of man. For reference you could try Paul Vitz's book, "Psychology as Religion". One major difference, however, is that while we are forbidden from teaching our Christian faith in public schools, almost everyone ends up taking psychology classes...in fact they are even taught in high school now. Is it any wonder that we are losing our Christian culture?

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Here is an article about losing religious freedom ....

spectator.org

Apr 5th 2013 new

(Quote) Dan-28682 said: The etymology of the word psychology is the greek word "psykhe" which means "breath, ...
(Quote) Dan-28682 said:

The etymology of the word psychology is the greek word "psykhe" which means "breath, spirit, soul" + "logia" which means "study of" so psychology is the study of the spirit or the soul. Sounds a lot like religion does and in fact a good argument can be made that psychology is really a secular religion...a religion that is often at odds with our Christian beliefs on fundamental topics such as the anthropology of man. For reference you could try Paul Vitz's book, "Psychology as Religion". One major difference, however, is that while we are forbidden from teaching our Christian faith in public schools, almost everyone ends up taking psychology classes...in fact they are even taught in high school now. Is it any wonder that we are losing our Christian culture?

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We are forbidden from using Christian faith in certain other venues as a rule, such as in counseling centrers that are government run. HOWEVER THEY ARE TEACHING COUNSELORS ON THE USE OF some techniques from BUDDHISM (mindfulness, breathing, etc) in treating clients. This is not necessarily inherently bad as these techniques have been dissected out for usage to reduce anxiety---however it shows a bias against Christ centered Faith Based and revelatory religions such as Christianity...

Apr 5th 2013 new
(Quote) John-221057 said: (Quote) Mary-486033 said: That's not what happened. Cheryl did not randomly bring up Canada....
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Mary-486033 said: That's not what happened. Cheryl did not randomly bring up Canada. Actually, you described why Cheryl responded, with the mention of Canada in the first place. John is a Canadian who is spouting off (again) about the United States of America...where he personally does not live nor hold citizenship. It didn't happen the other way around.

Canada is our neighbor, ally, and friend. However, when non-citizens make erroneous statements or criticize the USA for not embracing liberal or socialistic ideologies, we will respond in kind.



I'm actually not criticizing the USA. I'm criticizing a fringe minority of people who hold radical views and consider anything contrary to their ideology a form of communism and/or socialism.

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Then we aren't actually criticizing Canada, either. wink Just those who characterize the large base of patriotic conservative traditional Americans as "a fringe minority of people who hold radical views and consider anything contrary to their ideology a form of communism and/or socialism." rolling eyes
Apr 5th 2013 new

(Quote) John-221057 said: Right, blame the victims who were conned by banksters for their own problems. It's th...
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Right, blame the victims who were conned by banksters for their own problems. It's their own fault that the government implemented irresponsible policies that caused the economy to plummet and bailed out the banks but not hard working families who lost their homes.

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If you want to believe in fairy tales where on one side there is the pure white protagonist who is completely free of fault or blemish and on the other side there is the pure black evil antagonist who is completely and solely to blame, that is your problem.

In real life, real situations are a lot more multi-faceted. Nobody here, least of all me, is claiming that their were not government policies that were designed to buy votes, not act responsibly nor that the banks weren't far more interested in making money than anything else.

None of that changes the reality that people people who make reckless decisions reap the consequences of their actions. The notion that the average person is a stupid animal who is completely incapable of making decisions in their own best interest is one of the most insulting notions that seems to be inherent in modern liberalism. People have an obligation to make responsible decisions and just because other actors in the drama are behaving badly doesn't mean that those who made poor choices are free to blame everyone else for everything.

This amazing and absolute refusal to accept personal responsibility is one of the reasons why liberalism is doomed to failure. As long as liberals insist that people are entitled to blame somebody else's for their own mistakes, liberals are never going to create a workable system.

Apr 6th 2013 new

(Quote) John-221057 said: And moreover, conserveratism's time is up in America now too. A new generation of voters are n...
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And moreover, conserveratism's time is up in America now too. A new generation of voters are now coming of age who support workers' unions and don't feel that everyone else should have less so the rich can have more.

Okay, as for rich people, I have no problem with anyone earing large amounts of wealth because they invented a product that helps people and people want to buy it. People like Henry Ford, Bill Gates and Steve Jobbs got rich based on their own merits. Nothing wrong if you're rich for that reason.

Banksters, however, get their money by predatory lending and stealing family homes.

Remember that Henry Ford said it was better for him if ordinary people were better off because then he could sell more of his cars.

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If you want to talk about the widening gap of the rich vs. the poor you should read the following article. It is in Washington DC where the gap is the greatest and it is because the rich are living off of government largesse.

www.humanevents.com

"In Washington, the top 5 percent of households have an average income of $473,000, highest of all of the 50 largest cities in America. The average income of the top 20 percent of district households is $259,000. Only San Francisco ranks higher.

Moreover, that $259,000 average household income for the top 20 percent is 29 times the average household income of the bottom 20 percent, which is only $9,100 a year."

And it is completely controlled by Democrats, the ones who scream the loudest about income inequality. While they like to claim otherwise, it is clear that is very much their big government governance that drives this inequality and they don't seem to be in any hurry to do anything about it.

"The citadel of liberalism that Obama carried 93-7 has a disparity of incomes between rich and poor that calls to mind the Paris of Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette.

Washington is a textbook case of the inequality that Obama says “distorts our democracy,” and it is the ideal place to prove that he is serious.

For Washington is Obamaville. The mayor is a Democrat. The city council is Democratic. There are more lawyers and lobbyists concentrated here than in any city in America.

Here we have the perfect test case — the most liberal city in the republic, with the greatest income inequality, where Obama’s political clout and personal popularity are highest. And there is no obstructionist Republican cabal to block progressive reforms."

Apr 6th 2013 new

(Quote) Angela-374523 said: While my fellow Canadian’s opinions are his own, I do have to say that the anti-Canadian n...
(Quote) Angela-374523 said:

While my fellow Canadian’s opinions are his own, I do have to say that the anti-Canadian nonsense that gets repeated on these forums ad nauseum is a bit stale, especially when it comes from people who have never lived or perhaps even travelled to Canada. Virtually every single social problem that exists in Canada also exists in the United States.

Canada is not a totalitarian state. It is not a socialist country. The Canadian constitution guarantees freedom of religion and freedom of speech. Canada is not a pagan anti-Catholic wasteland either where Catholics cower under threat of persecution. There are provinces in Canada where Catholic schools are taxpayer funded. I actually attended them and I have friends with children enrolled in those schools.

May God bless the United States of America, but it is not the only democracy on the planet. The USA has many political and military allies that are also democracies. If you need to look for enemies, go pick on North Korea. Canada is not the problem.

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I don't know Anglea. One person from Canada that was giving an interview who wrote books about the moslem culture and religion was cited for hate speech with some law you have in Canada...doesn't sound like freedom of speech to me. I fear America is leaning more your way too. As far as Catholic schools being tax payer funded....that sounds good as long as they aren't forced to pay for abortins, birth control, hire people who oppose Catholic teachings or whatever the state says it has to do in order to get the funding. For instance, recently, I Catholic insitituation in Cananda was told it had to allow a gay reception...it was in the news a while back. In our news recently, we had a baker in Oregon attacked because he wouldn't bake a wedding cake for a couple of lesbians....he drew the line there and now they are after him. Our religious freedom is definitely being attacked by the countries around us who went there first.

Apr 6th 2013 new

(Quote) Mary-486033 said: That's not what happened. Cheryl did not randomly bring up Canada. Actually, you described wh...
(Quote) Mary-486033 said: That's not what happened. Cheryl did not randomly bring up Canada. Actually, you described why Cheryl responded, with the mention of Canada in the first place. John is a Canadian who is spouting off (again) about the United States of America...where he personally does not live nor hold citizenship. It didn't happen the other way around.

Canada is our neighbor, ally, and friend. However, when non-citizens make erroneous statements or criticize the USA for not embracing liberal or socialistic ideologies, we will respond in kind.
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Exactly. I do think there are good things about Canada just as I think there are good things about our country. Both however, have taken a turn that I do not think is Godly when it comes to media and politics. What we have to do is figure out how we can do our part to change that back.

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