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Apr 7th 2013 new
I've seen lately on FB, many posts from Catholics against Protestants trying to lecture ones to other about their " mistakes" in their respective teachings that BTW are endless discussions followed by insults, Shouldn't we be praying ones for others? Shouldn't we act more like brothers instead oh hitting us with the Bible?
Apr 7th 2013 new
(Quote) Lilia-959452 said: I've seen lately on FB, many posts from Catholics against Protestants trying to lecture ones to other about th...
(Quote) Lilia-959452 said: I've seen lately on FB, many posts from Catholics against Protestants trying to lecture ones to other about their " mistakes" in their respective teachings that BTW are endless discussions followed by insults, Shouldn't we be praying ones for others? Shouldn't we act more like brothers instead oh hitting us with the Bible?
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Simply put. Doctrine matters.
Apr 7th 2013 new

(Quote) Lilia-959452 said: I've seen lately on FB, many posts from Catholics against Protestants trying to lecture ones to othe...
(Quote) Lilia-959452 said: I've seen lately on FB, many posts from Catholics against Protestants trying to lecture ones to other about their " mistakes" in their respective teachings that BTW are endless discussions followed by insults, Shouldn't we be praying ones for others? Shouldn't we act more like brothers instead oh hitting us with the Bible?
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It's the Catholic Church that is usually attacked.Yes we should be charitable.I don't know the exact words spoken,so it's hard to respond without an example.Can you copy and paste an example from the FB page you are referring to?

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Apr 7th 2013 new

(Quote) Lilia-959452 said: I've seen lately on FB, many posts from Catholics against Protestants trying to lecture ones to othe...
(Quote) Lilia-959452 said: I've seen lately on FB, many posts from Catholics against Protestants trying to lecture ones to other about their " mistakes" in their respective teachings that BTW are endless discussions followed by insults, Shouldn't we be praying ones for others? Shouldn't we act more like brothers instead oh hitting us with the Bible?
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The Bible is a Catholic book.

Protestantism is a heresy. That's not to say all Protestants are heretics, most just don't know any better.

A great deal of modern catholics also have very little to be proud of in terms of faithfulness to the faith.

As it stands, I think we should be reunited against bigger enemies, ie. atheism, redefining marriage to accomodate same sex couples, abortion, et cetera.

An atheist told me once, how could he be a Christian when Christians couldn't even agree? I told him Catholicism was the only safe bet.

We were here first.

Apr 7th 2013 new

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Are all one Church?

208.Your preceding replies are based upon a misapprehension. There is no real lack of essential unity in the Christian Churches at all. All together form the one true Church.

However nice that looks on paper, it is impossible. We cannot hold that hundreds of conflicting churches, even those disowning each other, are all one united church. The good Wesleyan who says that Rome is idolatrous would have to admit that the idolatrous Catholic belongs to the same church as himself, and is equally a Christian. The notion demands not a little suppression of reason. Again, if the Catholic Church ex-communicates a man, almost any Protestant Church will promptly receive him. If the Catholic Church and the Protestant Church which receives him are one and the same, you will have the same Christ accepting and rejecting the same man at one and the same time!

209. Did not St. Paul acknowledge the various individual churches of his time?

The churches to which St. Paul wrote were as much united as Catholics in London today are united in one Church with the Catholics in New York, Berlin, Italy, and Australia. Non-Catholics, however, are not united, have not held fast to the traditions, believe practically as they please, and have made shipwreck of the faith as well as of disciplinary unity.

210. Tertullian says that, as in the ocean there are many seas and ports, so in the Catholic Church there are many churches. How can the Roman branch exclude the other branches?

Tertullian had in mind the expansion of the one Catholic Church to many centres, each branch remaining united to the same legitimate authority.

211. To my mind the whole of Christianity is like a wheel. Christ is the centre, whilst the various churches are the spokes.

Christ forms the complete wheel, and as He identifies the Church with Himself as his mystical body, the Catholic Church is the complete wheel, hub, spokes, and all, of Christianity in this world. And Christ prayed to His Father that the Church might be one as He and His Father are one. All non-Catholic forms of professing Christianity are broken and discarded spokes, no longer in the wheel at all as churches, whilst most of the members of these churches disown all connection with the wheel which they abandoned at the Reformation.

212. Could we not call Christ's Church a garden? The Roman Catholic Church is the original tree—the others slips cut off, and growing in the same garden, and producing the same fruit, but with a slightly different flavor?

That is not possible. These analogies may be suitable to wrong ideas, but they do not prove those wrong ideas correct. Christ said that His Church would be one Church, not a garden of churches. As for the same fruit, the Catholic Church forbids divorce—non-Catholic churches allow it. There is more than a difference of flavor here! One fruit of the tree is unity and obedience, a fruit which the Catholic Church alone produces. That the non-Catholic churches bear some fruit I admit, but they do not produce all the fruit Christ intended. The explanation of such fruit as they seem to produce we shall see later on. Meantime your attempts to maintain the unity of all the conflicting churches are opposed both to revelation and to reason. Christ said, "If a man will not hear the Church, let him be as the heathen." Your system would leave him baffled. "Hear which Church?" he would cry. If you replied, "Any Church, for all churches constitute the one Church of Christ," he would complain, "But the Catholic Church forbids this, and the Anglican Church permits it!" Again, you say that the Catholic Church is as much part of the true Church as any others. But she solemnly declares that the others do not belong to the true Church. If she is truly speaking with the authority of Christ, they do not. If she is wrong, she forfeits any claims to be part of the true teaching Church. No, they cannot all be true, and the Catholic Church is the only one that is really certain that she is right.

213. I admit that it is impossible to maintain that all the churches are really united into one Church; but I deny that lack of unity really matters. After all, go into any Christian church, and you will hear Christ preached, and the Word of God spoken.

On that score, the Seventh Day Adventists who teach that the Pope is Anti-Christ, and the Catholic Church which teaches that he is the very Vicar of Christ would both be teaching doctrines equally pleasing to God! As a matter of fact you will not hear Christ preached in any Christian church, for in all non-Catholic churches you will hear now one, now another distorted aspect of Christian doctrine. Even did you hear the uncorrupted Word of God in some non-Catholic church, that would not make you a member of Christ's true Church.

Apr 8th 2013 new
(Quote) Naomi-698107 said: The Bible is a Catholic book. Protestantism is a heresy. That's not to say a...
(Quote) Naomi-698107 said:



The Bible is a Catholic book.



Protestantism is a heresy. That's not to say all Protestants are heretics, most just don't know any better.



A great deal of modern catholics also have very little to be proud of in terms of faithfulness to the faith.



As it stands, I think we should be reunited against bigger enemies, ie. atheism, redefining marriage to accomodate same sex couples, abortion, et cetera.



An atheist told me once, how could he be a Christian when Christians couldn't even agree? I told him Catholicism was the only safe bet.



We were here first.

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Catholics need to know the dividing line between truth and falsehood. It's one thing to be Protestant and not know better like my family members who are invincibly ignorant cradle Protestants and another to be a Catholic who apostatizes and becomes a Protestant.

Protestantism has been the half-way house to atheism for centuries. Realizing this led me to convert from Protestantism when I was 20.
Apr 8th 2013 new

(Quote) Lilia-959452 said: I've seen lately on FB, many posts from Catholics against Protestants trying to lecture ones to othe...
(Quote) Lilia-959452 said: I've seen lately on FB, many posts from Catholics against Protestants trying to lecture ones to other about their " mistakes" in their respective teachings that BTW are endless discussions followed by insults, Shouldn't we be praying ones for others? Shouldn't we act more like brothers instead oh hitting us with the Bible?
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Given the sheer volume of common enemies we have, we should indeed be trying to do a better job of making common cause with them!

Apr 8th 2013 new

(Quote) John-336509 said: Given the sheer volume of common enemies we have, we should indeed be trying to do a bett...
(Quote) John-336509 said:

Given the sheer volume of common enemies we have, we should indeed be trying to do a better job of making common cause with them!

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I'm going to advocate your approach, John. We, as Christians, have much in common. Pope JPII emphasized this during his papacy. An ecumenical spirit developed after Vatican II. If we emphasize what we have in common, much can be accomplished, as opposed to spending a lot of time bashing each other. If we respect our common ground and unite in that fashion, there is much evil that can be fought. United faith groups have accomplished a great deal in the areas of charity and social justice, whereas, standing alone, they wouldn't have made as much progress.

FB isn't a great place to have a meaningful debate in the first place. There are limits of space that can restrict people to tossing out sound bytes. We can agree to disagree on the doctrinal issues on FB, but a good meaningful dialogue just isn't going to take place there and it's difficult to win people over with just bits and pieces.

And what person likes to be told he/she is wrong -- especially in a public forum? If our purpose is to help unite, there are better ways. FB debates/arguments lend themselves to hostility -- counterproductive to the goal. The "in your face' approach just isn't leading to the results being sought.

Apr 8th 2013 new

(Quote) John-220051 said: Protestantism has been the half-way house to atheism for centuries. Realizing this led me to ...
(Quote) John-220051 said:


Protestantism has been the half-way house to atheism for centuries. Realizing this led me to convert from Protestantism when I was 20.
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I saw a while bavk, and it might have been one of Michael Vorris' things, something that spoke about how Protestantism has enabled atheism, as Protestantism has no authority and it has no solid Truth. So when you have 40,000 different Protestant churches all teaching different things, some concepts hugely seperated from others, then of course that lends itself to a mindset right for moral relativism, which is one of the, if not the most important stepping stones for the development of atheism - at least in the modern age, where I find atheism to be populated by angry, incredibly ignorant individuals who only wish to live their own lives free of any "control".

Protestants, for the most part are notorius for "church shopping". Don't like the music at this Church? Cross the street. Don't like the pastor talking about how homosexual acts are deviant? Go to the church around the corner. Don't like the coffee served? Church by the park. New church doesn't have child care? Go five blocks away. So when you create a system where no one can claim true authority, and everyone just beleives whatever the heck they "feel" like, then of course atheism is the natural extension of that.

Basically, if your christian path is determined by what you "feel" and think, then you've already placed yoruself in the position of God. If you're in the position of God determining what's right and wrong, then its not difficul at all to remove God and replace Him with yourself.

Catholics need to get educated, and we need to start standing up. We need to learn up our scriptures and Sacred Tradition so we can better defend against common Protestant arguments, which if studied properly, are discovered to be all completely flawed and without substence.

Apr 8th 2013 new

(Quote) Lilia-959452 said: I've seen lately on FB, many posts from Catholics against Protestants trying to lecture ones to othe...
(Quote) Lilia-959452 said: I've seen lately on FB, many posts from Catholics against Protestants trying to lecture ones to other about their " mistakes" in their respective teachings that BTW are endless discussions followed by insults, Shouldn't we be praying ones for others? Shouldn't we act more like brothers instead oh hitting us with the Bible?
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Yes we should definitely act more like brothers and sisters than like enemies. Follow in Jesus footsteps.

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