(quote) Andrew-290721 said: The simplest explanation of why one Pope cannot bind his successors is that no man is greater than the office. I tried that on an ultratraditionalist twenty years ago. It did not sway her.
Well said Andrew. My point still is that yes, if it were strictly only a mater of form or discipline, but I sensed a long time ago that it is about doctrine too. In such cases, it is not just about binding His successors. And it is not the pope that binds, but He that is all powerful, through the office of the Vicar of Christ. So, if doctrine is also involved, then the argument presented does not apply carte blanche.
So yes that is why I believe that "forms" of the Mass can be changed, but essentials must always remain.
The papal office (ordinary magisterium in union with the pope) is not like a democracy nor is any pope to be like a dictator where he can change things to contradict doctrine. Only corrupt leaders or those who aspire to absolute control promulgate such powers to themselves. Such examples abound in our day.
Absolute power and glory belong only to God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, united in the Holy Trinity, now and forever, Amen.
God does not go against doctrinal proclamation nor is any pope allowed to exceed those bounds. Well, in a way it is a mute point so far. We still have both and other Rites to supplement the diversity in unity of the entire Church militant.
Since I sense you were mostly directing your response towards me, and if so, no worries my man. If not, forgive my presumptuousness. But do know this: what I think of the situation hardly carries but a grain of sand of weight. And, as Angela pointed out, I am confident that both forms of the Mass will be around as long as persons genuinely desire it and the shepherds of God's sheep see it efficacious for the salvation of souls.
I long for the Novus Ordo
to continue to be revised and get better and better! From what I experienced in the 70's and 80's it did not have a great start here in Oregon. I think it was also true pretty much throughout the western Rite.
I like to dig deep into matters of my faith, and so I was hoping that Jerry (or anyone) would provide some sources on what he mentioned. But it's not necessary. I can show some initiative too and do some research. Obviously there is something I would learn from it.
Lastly, as far as my comments about Bugnini, no I am not a conspiracy theorist, but when a conspiracy is proven to be fact (and was barely thwarted before utter disaster), well then that is something altogether different. It's not theory at all :)
Thanks be to God for the guidance of the Paraclete and assisting the Holy Father in those last hours before his approval of the Novus Ordo
. Also, I thank his holiness for the encyclical, Humane Vitae.