(quote) Dave-146273 said: If we want Threads to be productive, and where the poster and comment can be respectful to one another, then comments like these would probably best be refrained from.
I've always said,,everyone has a right to express their opinion..even if it's disagreeable, but in doing so we should ask ourselves if what we're saying or how we're saying it is in the most Charitable and un-selfserving way.
David, you took my words out of context from that very post:
"... men SHOULD see women as special for the fact that they can do and be something that men cannot:
MOTHERS, either or both physically and spiritually.
man's attitude should be to protect and honor women in a way that is
unique to their sex. Men don't need to be put on a pedestal. Women
should be respected in that way because of their role in creation. The
regard a woman should have for a man who is truly a gentleman is unique
as well, but very different."
The fact is that men and women are affected to one degree or another by the society in which we live. Some see the errors and are not effected and/or consciously choose another route of response, and others embrace it, or at least, make friends with it as a dialectic to their Catholicism, whether consciously or not. Is this offensive that one should point this out? Right there is an example of why it ought to be pointed out.
If it was my delivery (due to the quotes around "prize") was such that Patrick it took to heart, for that and that alone I apologize. What I should have said was, "with all due respect, I find it absurd that a man should think he ought to be pursued by a woman as if he were a 'prize' to be won." That would have gotten across the same point, but would have not looked like sarcasm when it was meant to tread lightly. Then someone else could come out and say (out of the sin of rash judgment) that this is due to my experience here, rather than give me the benefit that this is based on my traditional values as a Catholic.
That is not to say that every man who pursues a woman, opens doors, buys flowers, etc. is a good man, or that every docile woman is a good and honorable woman, but I mean only to point out that one defect by egalitarianism that is popular today in society in general. I make a big deal about it because, whether or not anyone agrees, we are all effected by the popularity of the internet, which, by the way, happens to inadvertently foster some other errant philosophies (e.g. Utilitarianism), mainly because we aren't self-aware of these serious issues, and as a result we our quickly losing our standards as a culture. When that happens, our response tends to be, "Problem? I don't see any problem? Nope, no problem here except that people are attempting to point out that there is some sort of problem."
I did not grow up knowing about things like philosophy --- I mean, authentically Catholic philosophy --- until just the past 12 years, mainly. I still make mistakes, and yes, I can see how a better understanding of attitudes towards the roles of men and women, even simply in social settings, would have helped me personally tremendously. Unfortunately, those who are least interested in learning about things that are discussed in books like Ed Sri's "Men, Women and the Mystery of Love" (which is based on the late Blessed Pope John Paul II's "Love and Responsibility" --- a collection of early talks on how poor modern philosophies are adversely affecting society, the family, and relationships in general), are probably the same people who have the most to gain from learning about these epidemics of bad philosophy to which we are all either infected or at least if only at some points in our life, greatly effected.