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A gentle warrior

Sep 7th 2013 new
Mother Teresa once said, you win any arguments by gentle persuasion and by being gentle. Our world is a chaotic place to live in. War in Syria and anywhere else in the world.
Do people forget how to pray anymore? How are you going to heal a wounded country when all is hungry for power and greed?
How can a gentle warrior heal a heated argument when all wants to speak at the same time?
We as Catholic is called to become a gentle warrior for God's greater glory.
GENTLENESS = PEACE.
BALLISTIC = AGGRESSION / STRIPE


Sep 7th 2013 new
Excellent post Carol and that is probably why we pray and fast today for peace on earth, asking the Queen of Peace Mary our Mother to intercede for all of us Jesus have mercy upon the whole world
Sep 7th 2013 new
(quote) Kristin-926543 said: Excellent post Carol and that is probably why we pray and fast today for peace on earth, asking the Queen of Peace Mary our Mother to intercede for all of us Jesus have mercy upon the whole world
I am so looking forward to starting an adult special ed class soon.
.[...with my 23 year old son.and another student from
our confirmation class last year]....this is sooooooo what i pray will
be the theme there.
Sep 8th 2013 new
Good luck to you and your son Ma'am Susan. We need to pray as hard as we do to heal this wounded earth we call home. Prayers work like a soothing balm to a wounded world. Lets implore the help of our Blessed mother for mercy, grace and peace.
May God bless you Ma'am Susan. hug
Sep 8th 2013 new
(quote) Carol-799486 said: Good luck to you and your son Ma'am Susan. We need to pray as hard as we do to heal this wounded earth we call home. Prayers work like a soothing balm to a wounded world. Lets implore the help of our Blessed mother for mercy, grace and peace.
May God bless you Ma'am Susan. hug
that's very kind....God bless.

We are working on the plans this week
Sep 8th 2013 new
(quote) Carol-799486 said: Mother Teresa once said, you win any arguments by gentle persuasion and by being gentle. Our world is a chaotic place to live in. War in Syria and anywhere else in the world.
Do people forget how to pray anymore? How are you going to heal a wounded country when all is hungry for power and greed?
How can a gentle warrior heal a heated argument when all wants to speak at the same time?
We as Catholic is called to become a gentle warrior for God's greater glory.
GENTLENESS = PEACE.
BALLISTIC = AGGRESSION / STRIPE


Truth is a violence to falsehood. Some take a worldly peace in spiritual sloth and worldly comforts, even in the name of living their faith under God. People will say that being 'nice' is defined by how tolerant we are of error, and call this the same as respecting the person. It's not. True charity is love of God (first) and love of neighbor borne out of this love of God. We are not to tolerate error, but rather, have a love of truth, and recognize that even truth has a hierarchy. For instance, the truths of our faith are of some of the highest truths.

We do need to pray for Syria. There is a time to fight, though, but now is clearly not the time, but it is always time to pray, but especially now. People forget the Battle of Lepanto, when both war and prayer helped make what was naturally impossible possible, for the sake of Christ's kingship.

But gossip, detraction, these things are never reflections of Christ's Kingship and honor, and rather, are a form of lying. Yet, people will do these things because their feelings were 'hurt', even over someone speaking of a Church teaching that happens to bother their conscience.

Our Lord said that the truth would divide, and that HE was the Sword of Truth. "Do not think that I came not to bring peace but a sword." That doesn't mean that God doesn't wish to have peace, but not peace with a wrongly formed conscience, or ignorance of the faith.

The reality is that there will always be contentions no matter how hard you try. Think of what the saints when through. Things like chastity, purity and modesty, also the requirements for the Sacraments (both in quality and in form and matter) and holy obedience (!) really bother a lot of people, even Catholics who think themselves quite devoted. Even if we mention these correction for God's greater glory, there is no promise as to how they will be received. Even some of Jesus's own followers turned away on the point of the Sacrament of Holy Eucharist, and one even betrayed him. Of course, Judas came back to give him a kiss, but still, you get my point.

There is a point to say the truth and even points to stand for it. You can't reason with the Muslim Brotherhood without consenting AGAINST Christ's Kingship. Their self-admission to a religion that says lying is good and necessary. (Incidentally, it's a lie, for instance, that they plan on maintaining a democracy once they have power. They want Sharia law, and that won't work with a democracy. This is all P.R. to get US support.) Also, Assad is tempting God as well, but even while this is not a time for us to bomb anywhere, neither Assad nor the Muslim Brotherhood are people that can be coerced by "gentle persuasion". That is totally unrealistic.


Sep 8th 2013 new
I am really glad someone brought this topic up, because we need to be gentle warriors, but understand, at the same time, when and how to do that, according to Christ, and start with the Church's teachings. Otherwise, we will come up with our own interpretations of scripture, history, the lives of the saints, etc., the same way many Catholics are wrongly apologizing for the Crusades, not knowing what really happened, and the saints (did you know that St. Therese sometimes wished she could have been a man so she would have been a soldier on the front lines fighting for France? Do recall the great Bishop and Father of the Church, and martyr, St. Polycarp, who St. John refers to as "the angel of Smyrna", told off Marcion, who was a great admirer of Polycarp, "Yes, I know you. You are the first-born of satan!" And that was true ecumenism, because he had no desire to play nice with a Catholic Bishop knowing promoting heresy.

For the edification for those only who care, below is not my list but the CHURCH's list (paragraph 2309 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church) of reasons for a "just war", as per the recent edition of the Catechism:

The strict conditions for legitimate defense by military force require rigorous consideration. The gravity of such a decision makes it subject to rigorous conditions of moral legitimacy. At one and the same time:
  • the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain;
  • all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective;
  • there must be serious prospects of success;
  • the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated. The power of modern means of destruction weighs very heavily in evaluating this condition.

These are the traditional elements enumerated in what is called the "just war" doctrine. The evaluation of these conditions for moral legitimacy belongs to the prudential judgment of those who have responsibility for the common good.


OK. So, on at least the last two bullets it would not be considered a "just war" for the US to bomb Syria.

"There must be a serious prospects of success." Ummm... no... not according to experts anywhere.
We'd only be helping the growth of the Muslim Brotherhood, which would then install Sharia law in Syria, and grow in power and influence elsewhere by intimidation of other places, like Jordan, Tunisia, Israel, etc. The last bullet is a given. This is about power ... a power thirsty struggle between two evil enemies: Assad and the Muslim Brotherhood.

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