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In the last several years, this meaning of the song, "The Twelve Days of
Christmas" has been surfacing. I haven't heard this until recently. Is this
a correct interpretation? Has anyone else known of this?

What in the world do leaping lords, French hens, swimming swans, and especially the partridge who won't come out of the pear tree have to do with Christmas?


From 1558 until 1829, Roman Catholics in England were not permitted to practice their faith openly. Someone during that era wrote this carol as a catechism song for young Catholics. It has two levels of meaning: the surface meaning plus a hidden meaning known only to members of their church. Each element in the carol has a code word for a religious reality which the children could remember.
-The partridge in a pear tree was Jesus Christ.
-Two turtle doves were the Old and New Testaments.
-Three French hens stood for faith, hope and love.-
-The four calling birds were the four gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke &John.
-The five golden rings recalled the Torah or Law, the first five books of the Old Testament.
-The six geese a-laying stood for the six days of creation.
-Seven swans a-swimming represented the sevenfold gifts of the Holy Spirit--Prophesy, Serving, Teaching, Exhortation, Contribution, Leadership, and Mercy.
-The eight maids a-milking were the eight beatitudes.
-Nine ladies dancing were the nine fruits of the Holy Spirit--Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faithfulness, Gentleness, and Self Control.
-The ten lords a-leaping were the ten commandments.
-The eleven pipers piping stood for the eleven faithful disciples.
-The twelve drummers drumming symbolized the twelve points of belief in the Apostles' Creed.




Dec 18th 2013 new
Most likely not.

www.snopes.com


Dec 18th 2013 new
Yes that is correct the song was used to remind Catholics about their Catholic beliefs when Henry the eight broke with the Church of Rome.
Dec 19th 2013 new

What Are the Twelve Days of Christmas?

Myths and Reality

catholicism.about.com


Dec 19th 2013 new
The story has circulated for a while but is not true. On the face of it, does it even make sense? Protestants also have old / new testament, four gospels, etc. - why would Catholics need a secret code to talk about those things?
Dec 19th 2013 new
(quote) Christopher-1007273 said: The story has circulated for a while but is not true. On the face of it, does it even make sense? Protestants also have old / new testament, four gospels, etc. - why would Catholics need a secret code to talk about those things?
Christopher I am not wanting to argue over this but could you post something to confirm your claim this the story is true.
Dec 19th 2013 new
(quote) Elizabeth-114955 said: Christopher I am not wanting to argue over this but could you post something to confirm your claim this the story is true.
Oh I forgot to type in the word "not". Anyway Christopher (I love that name) unless you prove otherwise, there is no way you can convince me that it does not make sense, when history confirms otherwise that there was a need.
Dec 19th 2013 new
I think it is because they didn't want to get their head cut off.
I remember learning this, haven't heard of this for years.

Dec 19th 2013 new
(quote) Christopher-1007273 said: The story has circulated for a while but is not true. On the face of it, does it even make sense? Protestants also have old / new testament, four gospels, etc. - why would Catholics need a secret code to talk about those things?
As noted in the history of my parish here in Bowie ,MD ~ www.sacredheartbowie.org

"It is important to note that for almost one hundred years prior to the American Revolution, harsh anti-Catholic laws were in effect in the English province of Maryland. Among other things, Catholics could not hold public office, priests were forbidden to hold religious services in public and religious organizations were barred from inheriting or purchasing land. The one glimmer of hope quickly taken advantage of was permission to build private chapels. Catholics who did own land seized this opportunity to build chapels adjoining their manor houses. The sacristy and sanctuary of the present Chapel, c., 1741, perhaps abutted one of these manor houses. During this period, the Jesuit Fathers of White Marsh, with the help of indentured and slave labor worked the plantation as private citizens and served the small but growing Catholic communities in Prince Georges and nearby counties."

I offer up the above not in regards to the truth of the song or not, but rather historical context of how being Catholic has always had its challenges in history.


Dec 19th 2013 new
(quote) James-389322 said: Yes that is correct the song was used to remind Catholics about their Catholic beliefs when Henry the eight broke with the Church of Rome.

James: Were you taught the information about Henry VIII and the song from when

you were a young child? Or just recently?

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