(quote) Marina-1024960 said: Mark:
Moving backwards has never been demonstrated to be "better" than going forward to meet modern challenges. Those who don't learn from the past are condemned to repeat it. What is it about the past that we want to repeat? Slavery, social injustice, feudalism, lack of medical progress? When societies stop moving forward this is what they get.
Whenever I hear the word "correctness" in relation to the Liturgy, I think of Christ's condemnation of the Pharisees for strict adherence to empty tradition. I also remember Latin Masses in front of bored or mystified parishioners who couldn't participate fully even if they wanted to. Do you? What is the sense of the sacred when people are dozing off, praying the rosary, discussing last night's movie in between snatches of explanation of where we are now in the Missalette? When the celebrant says to me in my native language, "This is My body........." I am transformed by the words. I don't need the sound of a traditional bell to remind me to pay attention.
My experience, as I mentioned, has been longer than yours and I've been pre-and post the changes brought in by John XXIII. Last time I looked, no "truths" were either violated or discarded by the modest modernization carried out by the Vatican II documents. In fact, today we are closer to true Liturgical correctness due to the dedication of scholars who really understand the language of the early Church and have truth as their motivation; no one is translating what he thinks we should hear, according to his opinion of what Christ should have said and what the translator wanted Him to say. AND, we can hear it in a language we understand anywhere in the world. Moral decline stays pretty much the same - consider the Dark Ages period of history and compare it with modern times- war, conquest, murder, and destruction did not emerge full-grown from the forhead of modern times. It's obvious we are no longer taught history. Men will always allow evil to overcome them at some point; that's why we have been redeemed.
I wonder, often, what "truths" Traditionalists are afraid of losing........... "permissiveness" is usually the backlash of injustice or indifference; that's how we as imperfect beings react. Those who want to see better behavior should behave better. I don't attend Mass and remain a practicing Catholic due to "appeal" and the kind of fundamentalism I see lately should scare everyone. It sure scares me. How appalling to contemplate the unthinkable; a stagnant faith proclaimed in a dead language to the uncomprehending . Can anyone in his or her right mind think this is what Christ wants for His living Church? I'll bet the Hebrew forefathers considered Christianity to be "watered down" - what do you mean we don't stone offenders to death any more?? Tradition.........
I do consider the FSSP part of the living church, along with the Latin, Eastern, and other rites of the Church.
The Faith proclaimed in Latin is not "uncomprehending" simply because it is spoken in a "dead" language that happens to be the base for most languages in Western Europe including ours! Since it is not spoken in the marketplace, Latin is not subject to the changes of language and meaning over time that occurs in English. If anything, there is a deeper connection between the prayers, readings and antiphons in any particular EF mass than in even the OF mass said with all the option of sacredness followed (which is a rare sight indeed, sadly).
Far from "fundamentalism," Traditional Catholicism dedicates itself to preserving all the Church has always taught from the time of the Apostles to today. We do not believe that simply because of the date on the calendar, certain disciplines or rites of sacredness should be set aside.
If you say that it isn't the calendar that demands "evolution," but the modern mind, I would answer by saying that doing so would be the biggest mistake. The modern mind needs a witness to the truth, and precisely that the truth does not evolve into a lie, or into something else entirely.
Let the Modernists have an evolving faith, but I will keep the True one which filled churches, converted nations, cared for the poor and the sick, called out to the world to seek peace, and provided the way to save our world that has become sick near unto death with Modernity.
If you call that "fundamentalist," that's fine by me!