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John Lindsay was Mayor of NYC at the time of the Kent State U. incident where an unruly mob, in the guise of "demonstraters" , provoked National Guard troops into firing their rifles, which resulted in four deaths.

Mayor Lindsay , along with the "Elite" editors of the "New York Times", viewed the four killed as "martyrs" , and Lindsay ordered the Flag at City Hall flown at half-mast in respect to those who "lost their lives" while exercising their right to "dissent" , disregarding the fact that "dissent" in this circumstance was a destructive riot.

To say that many people not as exalted as Mayor Lindsay and other elitists "disagreed" with the concept of "martyrs" would be an understatement; what Lindsay did in lowering the flag engendered wide-spread anger.

The City Hall flag did not remain as half-mast very long ; the very next day , a mob of construction workers numbering in the thousands surrounded City Hall and gave Lindsay an "ultimatum" ; if he didn't raise the flag immediately, they would storm City Hall and THEY would raise the flag. Lindsay quaked at the thought of City Hall becoming the NYC version of the Bastille in Paris , and raised the flag.

"Vox Populi , Vox Dei"?

Jan 8th 2014 new

The Voice of God tells the Voice of the People that they must abide by subsidiarity. Render to Lindsay what is Lindsay's and to the construction workers what is theirs. Unless they had the right to enter the City Hall and prevent a lawful order from being executed, they were a banana republic mob in the guise of 'patriots' who self-exalted themselves into an elite to justify trespassing upon the territory of another. Like wheat and tares, they should have waited until the next mayoral election to render Lindsay's will in municipal matters ineffective. In the meantime, they would have been allowed to build sentiment against the mayor through legitimate channels.

Jan 9th 2014 new
(quote) Albert-146514 said:

John Lindsay was Mayor of NYC at the time of the Kent State U. incident where an unruly mob, in the guise of "demonstraters" , provoked National Guard troops into firing their rifles, which resulted in four deaths.

Mayor Lindsay , along with the "Elite" editors of the "New York Times", viewed the four killed as "martyrs" , and Lindsay ordered the Flag at City Hall flown at half-mast in respect to those who "lost their lives" while exercising their right to "dissent" , disregarding the fact that "dissent" in this circumstance was a destructive riot.

To say that many people not as exalted as Mayor Lindsay and other elitists "disagreed" with the concept of "martyrs" would be an understatement; what Lindsay did in lowering the flag engendered wide-spread anger.

The City Hall flag did not remain as half-mast very long ; the very next day , a mob of construction workers numbering in the thousands surrounded City Hall and gave Lindsay an "ultimatum" ; if he didn't raise the flag immediately, they would storm City Hall and THEY would raise the flag. Lindsay quaked at the thought of City Hall becoming the NYC version of the Bastille in Paris , and raised the flag.

"Vox Populi , Vox Dei"?

I remember back in those times, Kent was a very sad event, having to
see college kids doing what they do well--demonstrating--yet now
loosing their lives.

A lot of the kids doing the demonstrating were well intentioned, but little did they
know that they were being egged on by professionals. America learned a lot
from Vietnam, but not enough to keep us out of another un-winnable situation.

At the time of Kent State, the Lottery for the draft had been instituted. Some
young men enlisted in the National Guard. Others went to college. Yet others
began their life calling by joining a union and working every day to build
something outstanding, like the original World Trade Center. Adding to this
mix, the professionals of the New York Times, tried to elevate the death of
these young people to a place reserved for our country's heroes.

It seems that the construction workers had a handle on what it takes to be
an American hero and didn't buy any of the radical ideas of the NY Times.
To the radicals, the soldiers on the ground were NOT the heroes. And
Lindsay supported those demonstrating against the Vietnam war, so the
dead students became heroes.

But Lindsay knew who the backbone of the great City of New York was,
and that flag went back up the pole. Lindsay didn't last long as mayor
and didn't have too much of a legacy except for incidents like that flag
lowering. And New York's construction workers never lost sight of
who our heroes are.

The point of the flag lowering or raising so many years ago over City Hall
was a matter of symbolism. That symbolism is reserved for American
heroes. We have true American heroes and they live, and have
lived, amongst us. We should never let their courage be diminished
either in our hearts or in our minds. Courage is what made them our
heroes and why flags are lowered. Their courage is why we are
able to be Americans.

God bless America and God bless those hard working, cat calling
construction workers of a bygone era.





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