(quote) Roystan-340472 said: There are elements within Scripture and Tradition that can be applied to conflicts between faith and patriotism.
Subsidiarity distributes the love of the Church for the proper stewardship of talents, for stewardship between the individual, the collectivities that are local, regional, national or international, and the cosmic. It renders to John and Jane Q. Citizen what is his or hers, to each Caesar (or Leviathan) what is its, and to God what is his.
The wheat and tares, or the dressing of a nonperforming fig tree for another year, are pictures of the Church's love for orderly governance, the Holy Spirit being a spirit of order, a feature of which is know when to fix something that is 'broke'.
Debate becomes shouting past each other when the opposing sides do not stream their views at each other through the same channel. It's no good if liberals and conservatives wrap themselves in their own conceptions of the flag before shouting at each other. They have to wrap themselves in the same flag before shouting at each other because then they will be speaking to the same fundamentals. But the same flag isn't the Stars and Stripes: who knows what the Stars and Stripes means, unless somebody tells you? Who knows what the Scriptures mean, if you're not told, as the Ethiopian eunuch said?
To start with a big and meaty issue, the 'protection of borders', as relevant in Australia as in the US, what can subsidiarity say about the large-scale unauthorised movement of incarnated images of Christ, seeking relief from worries at home, into your home?
I want to start off by commending your wonderful biblical references. Yes, Scripture
and Tradition can be applied to conflict between faith and patriotism. But your wonderful references loose credibility when you are talking about a nation of 350 million people, and many different gods to offer allegiance.
I also had a good laugh when you tried to compare America and Australia and border
problems. No part of your country is land locked. And your population is less than
10 percent of ours. Way less. Correct me if I am wrong.
Yes, give to Caesar what is his and to God what is his. I just cannot find it in my heart
to watch populations of Americans stay living in slums and drug infested neighborhoods
with no hope of escaping, generation after generation. They need the help and
assets of a nation who cares about its own. Yet, money and other resources are taken
by people who have no right to be in America, and have no right to assets which are the
birthright of Americans and have no actual right to the American dream. When the slums
are cleared out, then we can have the luxury of sharing our wealth.
Hard work and the battle cry of freedom is what made America what it is today, and that
also means the loss of precious lives. Most of the countries where the illegals come from
are just as blessed with natural resources as we are in America. But it is easier to have
someone else set the table and someone else prepare the food, then inviting yourself
to the table rather than preparing it for yourself. That is called stealing and also
Our forefathers worked hard to leave an inheritance for us, and that meant leaving
things for us, better than what they received. As Americans we have an obligation to
protect that gift and legacy and to pass it down to future generations. Not have it
bullied from us under the guise of charity.
The One World theory is being forced upon us. It is not our legacy, but a socialist
legacy. And trying to rationalize the need for America to open its arms and forget
about its borders and give to the less fortunate is to deny the true charitableness
and generosity of the American Spirit. It is a surefire way of manipulating
the truth to foster shame. Americans have no need to feel bad. No other
country gives like Americans have. And no other country has been as generous
as America has.
Good try, though, Roystan. I am sure your country has a noble past and present,
but I can only comment on my country.