(quote) Philip-600116 said:
Probably the most important thing to remember is "never argue Religion or Politics"
Having said that each of us must consider that we feel that our Religion is the best, biggest and most truthful. Think for a moment that He/She might have the same opinion of their Religion. "And then the fight began"
Assume for a moment that you are driving from New York to LA and your car needs a new set of tires. You buy one tire at Goodyear, One at General, one at Michelene and one at Firestone. You start driving at the same time and arrive at LA at exactly the same time. Wow! How did that happen? All four tires arrived at the same time.
Now exchange the tires for any religion, Catholic, Lutheran, Budist and Coptic. Do you all not arrive at LA at the same time? I use that example to show that Religion is merely a vehicle for any of us to seek the Heavens with our Individual God, whatever or whomever that God may be. We all will arrive at the same time.
Keeping in mind that it is only our individual FAITH in our specific Religion that will serve us and assist us to meet the goal of Heaven. His and our faith are based upon the delivered Truth handed down through the eons. If he believes, bless him for having a Faith that he can be happy with. To try and gouge him from his faith is sacriligious. Should he ask, then he has opened a door for dialogue. Now you can discuss our Religion as you see it. That would be most kind and gracious.
He then can accept your beliefs or not. That is what faith is all about. Free Will and comprehension of dogmas coupled with culture and education. Should he not believe in the Catholic Church and if he does in fact believe in Budism there should be no confrintation. Only joy and happiness for him and his faith.
God of whatever one believes Bless all
I am beginning to think that you truly intend well (although I am not quite there yet - just the doubting rational part of me - a flaw perhaps), but your examples continue to make no sense to me. The tire analogy seriously misleads.
The Catholic Church does not just present another religion and others are it's equals. You want us to think we are all headed to the same place, but in reality we are not. Sure, sometimes Catholic drivers take us places not instructed, so we need to stay informed.
If it were that other faiths/religions (like unique tires or vehicles that end up in the same place) really are as you present (all well and just as good), others would reciprocate in kind; but they don't. Instead they rip at the Church at whatever part will lend itself for them to tear down. The world's many roads are littered with broken vehicles and stranded passengers.
If you were correct with your tire analogy, you would see Protestants, Buddhists, etc regularly attending Catholic events and services where nothing but Catholic teaching is presented... going along for the ride, if you will. But how much of that do we really see? It is practically non-existent! It happens only it seems when a lost soul is genuinely searching the reliable ride... the full truth... the Way and the Life.
How many ride offers are presented, yet choosy prospects decline, and decline and decline?
So, we just need to stay true to Christ and His teachings presented to us through the Church. He continues to guide the Church (one and only) by the Holy Spirit from the time He founded His Church.
I mean, it's nonsense even to go NY to LA with four brands of tires on the same vehicle. It is highly probable we won't get there. Yes, seriously! I mean, even in that situation (four brands of tires), how many people think that is ok for the car? I submit, only those who don't give it much thought and trust just about anybody at face value. So, let's take a closer look! The slight differences in specifications (difference in circumference of the tire alone... yes there is areal difference) would ruin the treads and the bearings in the car and it wouldn't deliver the passengers to LA at all, regardless of the hand-waving to the contrary. The vehicle would break down somewhere along the way! Just recall why the car makers tell us not to drive with the spare tire for long, but just long enough to get the car in the shop. That is, the less the better! It's a spare that is different than the rest, which are the same. A real smart vehicle driver keeps a spare tire that is in full conformity to the others specified for that vehicle on it or in it at all times. One won't leave the spare somewhere else, would one? How smart would that be?
Is it not strange how any one of us would follow the warranty instructions of a vehicle manufacturer because we don't want to void the warranty, but we won't follow the instructions of our own Maker? Where is the sense in that?!
Simply put, Catholics (or others) would be foolish to think that we are saved by faith alone or that all end up in heaven or that we know better than the Church. God set it up! And we can do better!!!??? No.
Not all end up in heaven. Recall the recent translation correction in the sacrifice of the Mass alone (for those that go) ... for "many" not "all". That "many" is not even an assurance that it is "the majority" of humanity. It just means "many".
There is a hell and people do end up there. So please do not tell us we all will see heaven, as your analogy implies. I repeat it because it's needed: not everyone ends up in heaven. That is not what Christ taught and there is plenty of back-up for that in just Scripture alone.
Yes Christ died and forgives all who seek it and then intend to live in conformity to His instruction, regardless of past sins, but repeated sins (un-absolved) against the Holy Spirit are not forgiven. We are aware of that, are we not? It is especially relevant to those of us that know better... yet, reject and reject and reject, like the obstinate Pharisee... or the other five varieties.