(quote) Jeffrey-1090194 said: Hi all,
Not sure if this has been discussed yet (if it has, mods, please kindly direct me to the correct forum/thread), but I had a question about the differences between Traditional Latin Mass and Normal Sunday Mass.
I met with someone and we were discussing what types of masses we go to, and I said I typically go to Normal Sunday Mass. However, in her description of Traditional Latin Mass, it sounded like a lot of the same things my parish was doing during mass. At my parish, they typically use incense and ring the bells during the consecration, both of which she said were items in the Traditional Latin Mass. However, I didn't really consider what I was witnessing at my parish to be Traditional Latin Mass because, well, it wasn't in Latin. Then she said that her parish does Traditional Latin Mass, but it's in English. So I'm kind of confused.
I mean, what's the difference? I know most parishes don't do the ringing of the bells or use incense or regularly bless the congregation with water (where the priest walks up and down the aisle flinging holy water at people), but I figured my parish was just being more traditional, but I'm surprised if this is considered Traditional Latin Mass.
Also, at my parish, I'm the only one (usually) who kneels during the Lamb of God sequence. Typically at all the parishes I've been to in Michigan, or around the Midwest, everyone kneels at this sequence, but since I've been in California, it's actually very rare. Most of the congregation stands. Yet how can that be Traditional Latin Mass? It seems weird that they would use incense and ring the bells but then the people stand instead of kneel during the Lamb of God.
Any thoughts on this topic would be appreciated.
The "normal Sunday Mass" is what Pope Benedict called the Ordinary Form (OF) of the liturgy; it is also commonly known as the Novus Ordo (NO) or missal of (Pope) Paul VI (who promulgated the liturgical changes after Vatican II).
The traditional Latin Mass (TLM) is what Pope Benedict called the Extraordinary Form (EF) of the liturgy. You may also see it referred to as the Usus Antiquior
(older use) or missal of (Pope) John XXIII, who promulgated the 1962 changes, which were the last before Vatican II and which is the version of the missal presently authorized for use for those celebrating the EF bu the motu proprio Summorum pontificum
. Prior to Summorum pontificum
, the traditional Mass was entirely in Latin (except for the Kyrie
, which is Greek) andt he homily; however, the Epistle and Gospel were often repeated in the local language after being read in Latin on Sundays and major feasts. Summorum pontificum
authorized the Epistle and Gospel to be read in the vernacular only (without the Lain readings) at daily Masses.
In most cases, the language. While the OF is usually celebrated either entirely in the vernacular
language or primarily in the vernacular with some common prayers in
Latin (Gloria, Creed, Our Father, etc.), it may be celebrated entirely in Latin; for this reason, the term "Latin Mass", while usually referring to the traditional Mass, is ambiguous.
The liturgical calendars. Those celebrating the EF use the calendar that was in effect in 1962. The feasts of some saints were removed from the liturgical calendar after 1962 and the dates some feasts are celebrated were changed. The Ember Weeks (4 occasions during the year when Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday Masses has special significance) and some octaves (an 8 day period following a major feast that is an extension of that feast) were eliminated. One of the eliminated octaves, that of Pentecost, is presently being celebrated -- this is why in the EF the liturgical color will be red through the remainder of this week while in the OF is is back to green for Ordinary Time. (There is an interesting story regarding Pope Paul VI and the octave of Pentecost in Fr. Z's blog: wdtprs.com
Some of the obvious differences:
The EF is always celebrated ad orientem
(to the (liturgical) east). In most churches this means the priest is facing the same directions as the people while at the altar. Many of the prayers, notably the Canon of the Mass, are prayed silently. Traditionally only the servers responded for the people, though in many locations this is no longer the case. When distributing Holy Communion the priest says a short prayer for each communicant instead of simply "Body of Christ".
While both forms of the Mass have the same general parts, many of the prayers are different -- sometime much so. In the EF they tend to be more solemn and, in many cases, penitential in nature.
The Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter has an excellent video which presents a spiritual commentary of the EF low Mass. During the commentary a priest and server walk through the Mass so you can see how it is celebrated. Because this is a low Mass, it does not include some things such as the incensing and choir.youtu.be