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Bishop Athanasius Schneider: We are in the fourth great crisis of the Church

"During a trip to England the Soviet-born bishop says the Church today is experiencing tremendous confusion

'Liberals, collaborating with the new paganism, are driving the Catholic Church towards a split, according to Bishop Athanasius Schneider, the liturgical specialist who is carrying on a rearguard fight against abuses in the Church."


"So serious are the problems, Bishop Schneider said in an interview last week, that this is the fourth great crisis in the history of the Church, comparable to the fourth-century Arian heresy in which a large part of the Church hierarchy was implicated.'"

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"Bishop Schneider is best known for arguing that Holy Communion should be received on the tongue while kneeling, which he insists is the more efficient way to foster respect for the Sacrament and to prevent abuse of the Sacred Hosts. The 53-year-old bishop has called also for clarification (a new Syllabus of Errors), aimed at the clergy, to put a stop to liturgical and doctrinal freewheeling on a range of issues in the spirit of Vatican II."
Jun 9th 2014 new

"Nevertheless, he can foresee a split coming, leading to an eventual renewal of the Church on traditional lines. But, he believes, this will not be before the crisis has plunged the Church further into disarray. Eventually, he thinks, the anthropocentric [man-centred] clerical system will collapse. This liberal clerical edifice will crash down because they have no roots and no fruits, he said.

In the turmoil, Bishop Schneider, fears traditional Catholics may, for a time, be persecuted or discriminated against, even at the behest of those who have power in the exterior structures of the Church. But he believes those involved with the heresy will not prevail against the Church. And, in hope, the bishop said: The Supreme Magisterium will surely issue an unequivocal doctrinal statement, rejecting any collaboration with the neo-pagan ideas.

Jun 9th 2014 new
Bishop Schneider observes ruefully that there are many whose views coincide with those of the pagan world who declare themselves Catholics and even faithful to the Pope, while those who are faithful to the Catholic faith or those who are promoting the glory of Christ in the liturgy are labelled
extremists.
Jun 9th 2014 new
I get the part about liberalism, but what does the bishop mean by neo-paganism? I assume he's not talking about Odinism or a clandestine revival of the Eleusinian Mysteries?
Jun 9th 2014 new
(quote) Paul-1049651 said: I get the part about liberalism, but what does the bishop mean by neo-paganism? I assume he's not talking about Odinism or a clandestine revival of the Eleusinian Mysteries?
I would suspect, he is associating it with all New Age types of things in relation to neo-paganism --- which could include in addition to the revival of Norse religion, Druidism, Wicca and other esoteric types of applications. Some resurrected and some newly created.
Jun 9th 2014 new
(quote) Lauren-927923 said: I would suspect, he is associating it with all New Age types of things in relation to neo-paganism --- which could include in addition to the revival of Norse religion, Druidism, Wicca and other esoteric types of applications. Some resurrected and some newly created.
Right, but if the suggestion is that liberal Catholics are working hand-in-hand with Druids, I'd want to see the evidence for that--it's kind of hard to swallow.
At the risk of being misconstrued, I sometimes think it would be a better thing if there WERE more followers of Odin, Isis, Pan, Mithras etc. -- only because I suspect it's easier to 'trade up' once you already admit the existence of a transcendant/supernatural realm, than to make the jump from today's arrogant and reductive atheism-with-scientific-pretensions.
Jun 9th 2014 new
Aren't the neo-pagans pretty much the "super green crowd" -- the environmentalists (of which I used to consider myself one, before the movement began worshiping Gaia, the name for the earth after the earth goddess)?

Out here in the land of crystals, tarot cards, and maypoles -- western Mass -- the New Age movement has morphed with the sustainability push. It's this mindset that is hardest to talk with, as the Creation has long been elevated above the Creator as the one we pay obeisance to. I recently was invited to a fundraiser for a local environmental education center, which I have supported over the years but hadn't been too involved with since my son is older and since I became Catholic. As I sat there, I realized that I was no longer primarily associated in my heart nor in my worldview with this earth-worshipping crowd. My thinking had shifted over the course of my conversion (and truthfully, some years before as I read the Bible, wrestled with the creation accounts in Genesis, and come to concur that God made the earth for man, and that no, we weren't "just another species" on the same level as the rest of the animal kingdom). Do I love pileated woodpeckers and redwoods? Yes! But I'd come to have a whole new view of the human being's place in the world, and I could no longer be part of the "Earth First!" scene.)

It was an odd feeling to sit at that luncheon and note how far I'd traveled. I mused on how or if I could ever broach the subject of Catholic teaching with anyone in the room. Of course, there were pople of an array if faiths present-- one can be both an ardent nature lover and recycler, a bird watcher and an advocate of organic farming AND a faithful Catholic or member of another religion. I think what I see has advanced, and has slowly seeped in to replace religious faith, is this secular neo-paganism that makes more note of the winter solstice than Christmas etc. Ive concluded that environmentalism, and by extension what Fr. Robert Barron calls "scientism," is a deeply materialistic worldview that threatens to eclipse all other forms of faith.


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Jun 10th 2014 new
(quote) Paul-1049651 said: Right, but if the suggestion is that liberal Catholics are working hand-in-hand with Druids, I'd want to see the evidence for that--it's kind of hard to swallow.
At the risk of being misconstrued, I sometimes think it would be a better thing if there WERE more followers of Odin, Isis, Pan, Mithras etc. -- only because I suspect it's easier to 'trade up' once you already admit the existence of a transcendant/supernatural realm, than to make the jump from today's arrogant and reductive atheism-with-scientific-pretensions.
I just got into this thread without much reading, but your post here popped out as descriptive of an error you seem to hold regarding error. I know you are a convert, so I hope my clarifications about false religions are helpful to you as I am just offering them for your information and consideration. They are Catholic Teaching on error and other religions. Truth is like a fine point on a graph. Catholicism is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth. Anything that draws away from this point is Satan inspired, including half truths, those things that seem, from our perspective, to sit so close to Truth on the line. Atheism is not worse than a false deism. Satan's goal is to imitate God. He can succeed by getting one to worship a false god in place of the True God, just as well as he can succeed in atheism, by getting one, in effect, to worship oneself, and no other god. ALL the false isms are false gods. Satan is legion, and anything that is not Truth is inspired by him. That is what Christ meant when He said He that is not with Me is against Me. It is the grace of God that inspires one to accept Truth, not false religions acting like stepping stones until one gets closer and closer to Truth.
Jun 10th 2014 new
(quote) Judy-579799 said: I just got into this thread without much reading, but your post here popped out as descriptive of an error you seem to hold regarding error. I know you are a convert, so I hope my clarifications about false religions are helpful to you as I am just offering them for your information and consideration. They are Catholic Teaching on error and other religions. Truth is like a fine point on a graph. Catholicism is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth. Anything that draws away from this point is Satan inspired, including half truths, those things that seem, from our perspective, to sit so close to Truth on the line. Atheism is not worse than a false deism. Satan's goal is to imitate God. He can succeed by getting one to worship a false god in place of the True God, just as well as he can succeed in atheism, by getting one, in effect, to worship oneself, and no other god. ALL the false isms are false gods. Satan is legion, and anything that is not Truth is inspired by him. That is what Christ meant when He said He that is not with Me is against Me. It is the grace of God that inspires one to accept Truth, not false religions acting like stepping stones until one gets closer and closer to Truth.
By the way, can anyone give me information on this resurgence in the belief in mythras? I ran into someone whose big into the Mary Magdalen married to Jesus thing, and she also believes that there are mythras around, demons, masquerading as people. I am not saying there isn't such thing as demonic activity in the world, but at first I thought my friend was mentally ill. Then I noticed other people who believed in the gnostic-inspired tale of Mary Magdalen also believed in mythras. Is it because of the gnostic convolution, combination and misinterpretation of all different religions, pagan and Christian, in the days of early Christianity, and the resurgence of their nonsense through Dan Brown? Does anyone know the connection? Also, I noticed many of the Messianic Jews adhere to this stuff - why? Is it because the gnostics claimed to be of semetic dissent so Jewish Christians are more apt to assimilate their writings?
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