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Jun 29th 2014 new
(quote) Joan-529855 said: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26181615
This is both tragic and horrific. The slippery slope gets slippier with every law like this that gets passed. And, what of children in the system who are wards of the state and likewise in a terminal situation? Who decides in those cases? Orphans and institutionalized children who are autistic or cognitively disabled or mentally ill? And, when does the interpretation seep into those who are crippled by cerebal palsy or something else, while not technically terminal is a state that cannot be changed?
Jun 30th 2014 new
(quote) Joan-529855 said: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26181615
I think the key words here are "terminal illness", "unbearable physical suffering", "great pain with no treatment to alleviate the distress", and that "parents, doctors and psychiatrists" will be involved in the decision-making. I am not familiar with the health care system in Belgium. In the US, such children would be in a palliative care program and be availed medication sufficient to manage their pain as well as any supportive respiratory care to ensure their dignity and comfort in the natural dying process.
Jun 30th 2014 new
"Through the intercession of Mary Immaculate, Patroness of our land, grant us the courage to reject the 'culture of death.' Lead us into a new millennium of life. We ask this through Christ, our Lord, Amen."
~ From 'Prayer for our Nation.' theheart
Jun 30th 2014 new
(quote) Carol-1007500 said: I think the key words here are "terminal illness", "unbearable physical suffering", "great pain with no treatment to alleviate the distress", and that "parents, doctors and psychiatrists" will be involved in the decision-making. I am not familiar with the health care system in Belgium. In the US, such children would be in a palliative care program and be availed medication sufficient to manage their pain as well as any supportive respiratory care to ensure their dignity and comfort in the natural dying process.

In the 1930s, the Third Reich had a virtually identical system which spiraled into the complete euthanasia of disabled and mentally challenged children simply on that basis. Three specialists marked a form with a cross. I think now the statutory requirement is three as well. It's disgusting.

If adult twins can consent to ending their lives over a condition similar to an early onset of macular degeneration, does anyone really doubt that this law won't be used to such an excess that adolescent kids having a bad day at school (which might just as easily work itself out in a few days) and gyrating through hormonal ups and downs will terminate themselves in a fit of passion? I mean, don't we already have a problem with adolescents committing suicide, without the added protection of a law?

Jun 30th 2014 new
Francis on euthanasia: Bad health is never a reason to eliminate a life

Pope John Paul II: Euthanasia is a grave violation Euthanasia is a grave violation of the law of God, since it is the deliberate and morally unacceptable killing of a human person.
Jun 30th 2014 new
(quote) Devan-877827 said:

In the 1930s, the Third Reich had a virtually identical system which spiraled into the complete euthanasia of disabled and mentally challenged children simply on that basis. Three specialists marked a form with a cross. I think now the statutory requirement is three as well. It's disgusting.

If adult twins can consent to ending their lives over a condition similar to an early onset of macular degeneration, does anyone really doubt that this law won't be used to such an excess that adolescent kids having a bad day at school (which might just as easily work itself out in a few days) and gyrating through hormonal ups and downs will terminate themselves in a fit of passion? I mean, don't we already have a problem with adolescents committing suicide, without the added protection of a law?



Nazi Euthanasia of the Mentally Ill at Hadamar

ajp.psychiatryonline.org



Nazi Euthanasia Program
www.ushmm.org


Copied from the source above... By reading this (below), one can see how these programs start out small, professing good intentions.... then transform into truly huge and ghastly programs:


EUTHANASIA PROGRAM
The term "euthanasia" (literally, "good death") usually refers to the inducement of a painless death for a chronically or terminally ill individual who would otherwise suffer. In the Nazi context, however, "euthanasia" represented a euphemistic term for a clandestine murder program which targeted for systematic killing mentally and physically disabled patients living in institutional settings in Germany and German-annexed territories.

The so-called "Euthanasia" program was National Socialist Germany's first program of mass murder, predating the genocide of European Jewry, which we call the Holocaust, by approximately two years. The effort represented one of many radical eugenic measures which aimed to restore the racial "integrity" of the German nation. It endeavored to eliminate what eugenicists and their supporters considered "life unworthy of life": those individuals who--they believed--because of severe psychiatric, neurological, or physical disabilities represented at once a genetic and a financial burden upon German society and the state.

CHILD "EUTHANASIA" PROGRAM
In the spring and summer months of 1939, a number of planners--led by Philipp Bouhler, the director of Hitler's private chancellery, and Karl Brandt, Hitler's attending physician--began to organize a secret killing operation targeting disabled children. On August 18, 1939, the Reich Ministry of the Interior circulated a decree compelling all physicians, nurses, and midwives to report newborn infants and children under the age of three who showed signs of severe mental or physical disability. Beginning in October 1939, public health authorities began to encourage parents of children with disabilities to admit their young children to one of a number of specially designated pediatric clinics throughout Germany and Austria. The clinics were in reality children's killing wards where specially recruited medical staff murdered their young charges by lethal overdoses of medication or by starvation.

At first, medical professionals and clinic administrators incorporated only infants and toddlers in the operation, but as the scope of the measure widened, they included juveniles up to 17 years of age. Conservative estimates suggest that at least 5,000 physically and mentally disabled German children perished as a result of the child "euthanasia" program during the war years.

EXTENDING THE "EUTHANASIA" PROGRAM
Euthanasia planners quickly envisioned extending the killing program to adult disabled patients living in institutional settings. In the autumn of 1939, Adolf Hitler signed a secret authorization in order to protect participating physicians, medical staff, and administrators from prosecution; this authorization was backdated to September 1, 1939, to suggest that the effort was related to wartime measures. Because the Fhrer Chancellery was insular, compact, and separate from state, government, or Nazi Party apparatuses, Hitler chose this, his private chancellery, to serve as the engine for the "euthanasia" campaign. Its functionaries called their secret enterprise "T4." The operation took its code-name from the street address of the program's coordinating office in Berlin: Tiergartenstrasse 4. According to Hitler's directive, Fhrer Chancellery director Phillip Bouhler and physician Karl Brandt undertook leadership of the killing operation. Under their auspices, T4 operatives established six gassing installations for adults as part of the "euthanasia" action: Brandenburg, on the Havel River near Berlin; Grafeneck in southwestern Germany; Bernburg and Sonnenstein, both in Saxony; Hartheim, near Linz on the Danube in Austria, and Hadamar in Hessen.

Utilizing a practice developed for the child "euthanasia" program, T4 planners began in the autumn of 1939 to distribute carefully formulated questionnaires to all public health officials, public and private hospitals, mental institutions, and nursing homes for the chronically ill and aged. The limited space and wording on the forms, as well as the instructions in the accompanying cover letter, combined to convey the impression that the survey was intended to gather statistical data.

The form's sinister purpose was suggested only by the emphasis which the questionnaire placed upon the patient's capacity to work and by the categories of patients which the inquiry required health authorities to identify: those suffering from schizophrenia, epilepsy, dementia, encephalitis, and other chronic psychiatric or neurological disorders; those not of German or "related" blood; the criminally insane or those committed on criminal grounds; and those who had been confined to the institution in question for more than five years. Secretly recruited "medical experts," physicians--many of them of significant reputation--worked in teams of three to evaluate the forms. On the basis of their decisions beginning in January 1940, T4 functionaries began to remove patients selected for the "euthanasia" program from their home institutions and to transport them by bus or by rail to one of the central gassing installations for killing.

Within hours of their arrival at such centers, the victims perished in especially designed gas chambers, disguised as shower facilities, utilizing pure carbon monoxide gas. Thereafter, T4 functionaries burned the bodies in crematoria attached to the gassing facilities. Other workers took the ashes of cremated victims from a common pile and placed them in urns to send to the relatives of the victims. The families or guardians of the victims received such an urn, along with a death certificate and other documentation, listing both a fictive cause and date of death.

Because the program was secret, T-4 planners and functionaries took elaborate measures to conceal its deadly designs. Even though in every case, physicians and institutional administrators falsified official records to indicate that the victims died of natural causes, the "euthanasia" program quickly become an open secret. In view of widespread public knowledge of the measure and in the wake of private and public protests concerning the killings, especially from members of the German clergy, Hitler ordered a halt to the euthanasia program in late August 1941. According to T4's own internal calculations, the "euthanasia" effort claimed the lives of 70,273 institutionalized mentally and physically disabled persons at the six gassing facilities between January 1940 and August 1941.

SECOND PHASE
Hitler's call for a halt to the T4 action did not mean an end to the "euthanasia" killing operation. The child "euthanasia" program continued as before. Moreover, in August 1942, German medical professionals and healthcare workers resumed the killings, albeit in a more carefully concealed manner than before. More decentralized than the initial gassing phase, the renewed effort relied closely upon regional exigencies, with local authorities determining the pace of the killing.

Employing drug overdose and lethal injection--already successfully used in child euthanasia--in this second phase as a more covert means of killing, the "euthanasia" campaign resumed at a broad range of custodial institutions throughout the Reich. Many of these institutions also systematically starved adult and child victims. The "Euthanasia" Program continued until the last days of World War II, expanding to include an ever wider range of victims, including geriatric patients, bombing victims, and foreign forced laborers. Historians estimate that the "Euthanasia" Program, in all its phases, claimed the lives of 200,000 individuals.

GERMAN-OCCUPIED EAST
Persons with disabilities also fell victim to German violence in the German-occupied East. Although the Germans confined the "Euthanasia" Program, which began as a racial hygiene measure, to the Reich proper--that is, to Germany and to the annexed territories of Austria, Alsace-Lorraine, the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, and the Warthegau in former Poland, the Nazi ideological conviction which designated these persons "life unworthy of life" made institutionalized patients targets of shooting actions in Poland and the Soviet Union. Here the killings of disabled patients were the work of SS and police forces, not of physicians, caretakers, and T4 administrators who implemented the "Euthanasia" Program itself. In areas of Pomerania, West Prussia, and occupied Poland, SS and police units murdered some 30,000 patients by the autumn of 1941 in order to accommodate ethnic German settlers (Volksdeutsche) transferred there from the Baltic countries and other areas.

SS and police units also murdered disabled patients in mass shootings and gas vans in occupied Soviet territories. Thousands more died, murdered in their beds and wards by SS and auxiliary police units in Poland and the Soviet Union. These murders lacked the ideological component attributed to the centralized "Euthanasia" Program, for by and large, the SS was apparently motivated primarily by economic and material concerns in killing institutionalized patients in occupied Poland and the Soviet Union. The SS and the Wehrmacht quickly made use of the hospitals emptied in these killing operations as barracks, reserve hospitals, munitions storage depots. In rare cases, the SS used the empty facilities as a formal T4 killing site; an example is the "euthanasia" facility Tiegenhof, near Gnesen (today Gniezno, in west-central Poland).

The "euthanasia" program represented in many ways a rehearsal for Nazi Germany's subsequent genocidal policies. The Nazi leadership extended the ideological justification conceived by medical perpetrators for the destruction of the "unfit" to other categories of perceived biological enemies, most notably to Jews and Roma and Sinti (Gypsies). Planners of the so-called Final Solution later borrowed the gas chamber and accompanying crematoria, specifically designed for the T4 campaign, to murder Jews in German-occupied Europe. T4 personnel who had shown themselves reliable in this first mass murder program, figured prominently among the German staff stationed at the Operation Reinhard killing centers of Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka. Like those who planned the physical annihilation of the European Jews, the planners of the "euthanasia" program imagined a racially pure and productive society and embraced radical strategies to eliminate those who did not fit within it their vision.
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Ed

Jun 30th 2014 new
(quote) Joan-529855 said: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26181615

Sadly the BBC article states the Country is mostly Catholic!

Over a hundred Pediatricians petitioned the Parliament that these days meds are sufficient to take care of any situation of pain.

At times in end of life care, the amount of pain meds required to alleviate the pain is the contributing factor in the expiration. Ending the life cannot be the objective.

We don't want to face God & say "Well I just thought they shouldn't be costing the system anymore money or I don't think they were worth anything since they couldn't function the way they did at one time before they got this terminal illness..."

Fortunately I had & Priests at the time I needed with my loved ones as I wanted to respect life to the natural end. There is a national Catholic Ethics Center if someone needs to get clear on this.

We should inform ourselves and make our desire to be treated respectfully and not end our lives prematurely in writing & known by health care power of attorney.

Some Dr's or Hospitals might want to keep us on ventilator ( not required by Church) for the money.

If we don"t have big money, they may want to get rid of us.

It is of course legal to get rid of unwanted persons in our country.

Jun 30th 2014 new
(quote) Carol-1007500 said: I think the key words here are "terminal illness", "unbearable physical suffering", "great pain with no treatment to alleviate the distress", and that "parents, doctors and psychiatrists" will be involved in the decision-making. I am not familiar with the health care system in Belgium. In the US, such children would be in a palliative care program and be availed medication sufficient to manage their pain as well as any supportive respiratory care to ensure their dignity and comfort in the natural dying process.
Let's see how that worked out, Carol. One European country legalized euthanasia for adults. Guess who some of the "beneficiaries" of this new law/ruling were? A pair of blind (but otherwise well) brothers, who could not stand not to see each other. So they jointly asked for euthanasia, and were subsequently approved and then put to death.
Jul 1st 2014 new
(quote) Joan-529855 said: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26181615
I read an article recently where the country was pushing it for kids and it wasn't even legal for adults yet. We need to pray that Euthenasia ends. surprised sad Praying
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