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Btw, This panelist was born in Lebanon.




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Jul 19th new
Excellent. She ended it by saying "It is time we take political correctness
and put it in the garbage."
Jul 19th new
(quote) Charles-976166 said: Btw, This panelist was born in Lebanon.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFDeIDU__C4


Thanks for this, Charles. She puts it in perspective nicely.

I don't know where she got her figures of 15-25% of Muslims being radical. Having lived in a Muslim country (Indonesia) for two years, I would think it is lower. But, even 5% of 1.2 Billion people would be 60,000,000 murderers or would be murders of innocent men, women and children roaming around looking for a piece of jihad. Even 1% would be 12,000,000 assassins who seek to destroy us and out way of life. This is a formidable problem that our leaders and news media and college professors seem to be in denial about.

When will the people of the Christian West realize that we are in a religious war against radical Islam? We seem to find all sorts of excuses for fighting among ourselves, to the shame of Christianity, and in violation of Jesus's great priestly prayer "ut unim sint," yet not to realize that Islam is a different and dangerous world view that seeks our total destruction, and has many prosylitites who are willing to kill innocent people in the name of their hateful god Allah and their brutal but thankfully dead general Mohammed. Christians fight among themselves about who has the most pure understanding of Christ and liturgy and doctrine, and forget that evil in the form of Islam is battering down the door. We need to get our heads out of our behinds and see the world for what it is.

Jul 20th new
(quote) Gerald-283546 said:

Thanks for this, Charles. She puts it in perspective nicely.

I don't know where she got her figures of 15-25% of Muslims being radical. Having lived in a Muslim country (Indonesia) for two years, I would think it is lower. But, even 5% of 1.2 Billion people would be 60,000,000 murderers or would be murders of innocent men, women and children roaming around looking for a piece of jihad. Even 1% would be 12,000,000 assassins who seek to destroy us and out way of life. This is a formidable problem that our leaders and news media and college professors seem to be in denial about.

When will the people of the Christian West realize that we are in a religious war against radical Islam? We seem to find all sorts of excuses for fighting among ourselves, to the shame of Christianity, and in violation of Jesus's great priestly prayer "ut unim sint," yet not to realize that Islam is a different and dangerous world view that seeks our total destruction, and has many prosylitites who are willing to kill innocent people in the name of their hateful god Allah and their brutal but thankfully dead general Mohammed. Christians fight among themselves about who has the most pure understanding of Christ and liturgy and doctrine, and forget that evil in the form of Islam is battering down the door. We need to get our heads out of our behinds and see the world for what it is.

I do get your point that Christians fight among themselves to the shame of
Christianity but wouldn't it still be a Governmental war? What can Christians
do?
Jul 20th new
(quote) Charles-976166 said: Btw, This panelist was born in Lebanon.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFDeIDU__C4


Someone once said if all Muslims got along with each other they would really be dangerous. I suppose we should be grateful that they kill more of each other than they kill non-Muslims.
Jul 20th new
(quote) Marianne-100218 said: I do get your point that Christians fight among themselves to the shame of
Christianity but wouldn't it still be a Governmental war? What can Christians
do?
Well, I was not meaning to suggest that we should attack them, hot war style. Let them kill each other and we should stay out of that. It is just that the radical Islamists are waging a sort of unilateral guerrilla war against the West, too. Their goal is the collapse of the West (including the US) and infiltration and imposition of Sharia Law wherever they can achieve it. We just need to be aware and keep our defenses up. It would be helpful if there were a way to prevent Islamic immigration into the States and Europe. But, I doubt that is feasible because of our tradition of religious tolerance in the US and the Europeans need for workers to support their socialist states. Nevertheless, I have seen in Indonesia how the mosques are used for political porposes to rally up the people to riot, burn, destroy and even kill non-Muslims. Friday was usually a bad day in Jakarta. So, each time a mosque is built in the West, a little bit of cancer invades our society. I wish I did not have to put it so bluntly, because I am very tolerant of Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, and Taoist sects as well as Agnostics, Bahai's, Mormons, etc. But Islam is different. It is a religion founded by a military general with war and conquest as it's theme, where lying, deceit and even killing of non-Muslims is widely tolerated and often encouraged. This is not like Christianity where our martyrs died horrible deaths without ever lifting a finger in violence. Muslim martyrs kill innocent people intentionally for their god. This is a hideous distortion of religion. Atheists in the Progressive movement like them because they give religion a bad name. We need to realize that even if the militant ones are only a percent or so, this is a lot of very dangerous people who hate us. Eyes wide open.
Jul 20th new
(quote) Peter-449116 said: Someone once said if all Muslims got along with each other they would really be dangerous. I suppose we should be grateful that they kill more of each other than they kill non-Muslims.

Well, I don't wish killing or being killed on anyone, but when one's enemies are fighting each other, they are less likely to hurt oneself. This was why it was such a huge mistake for "W" to take out Iraq. Iraq and Iran were in a kind of balance of hatred that distracted and deflected their powers. By eliminating one we empowered the other. From a geopolitical point of view it was insane. No, that's too inflammatory...it was counterproductive...yes that's more diplomatic. Counterproductive for the West, Counterproductive for Christians, and Counterproductive for the stability of the region. In that sense, yes, we should be grateful that the Shia-Sunni schism is keeping them distracted.

Now, if we could just heal the Catholic-Orthodox-Protestant schisms.......but I digress.

Jul 20th new
(quote) Gerald-283546 said: Well, I was not meaning to suggest that we should attack them, hot war style. Let them kill each other and we should stay out of that. It is just that the radical Islamists are waging a sort of unilateral guerrilla war against the West, too. Their goal is the collapse of the West (including the US) and infiltration and imposition of Sharia Law wherever they can achieve it. We just need to be aware and keep our defenses up. It would be helpful if there were a way to prevent Islamic immigration into the States and Europe. But, I doubt that is feasible because of our tradition of religious tolerance in the US and the Europeans need for workers to support their socialist states. Nevertheless, I have seen in Indonesia how the mosques are used for political porposes to rally up the people to riot, burn, destroy and even kill non-Muslims. Friday was usually a bad day in Jakarta. So, each time a mosque is built in the West, a little bit of cancer invades our society. I wish I did not have to put it so bluntly, because I am very tolerant of Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, and Taoist sects as well as Agnostics, Bahai's, Mormons, etc. But Islam is different. It is a religion founded by a military general with war and conquest as it's theme, where lying, deceit and even killing of non-Muslims is widely tolerated and often encouraged. This is not like Christianity where our martyrs died horrible deaths without ever lifting a finger in violence. Muslim martyrs kill innocent people intentionally for their god. This is a hideous distortion of religion. Atheists in the Progressive movement like them because they give religion a bad name. We need to realize that even if the militant ones are only a percent or so, this is a lot of very dangerous people who hate us. Eyes wide open.
Here's where I start to feel a little schizoid.
On the one hand, I agree with every word you've written. For something along the same lines that doesn't shrink from setting out the practical consequences, I'd recommend this classic essay by Lawrence Auster, "The Search For Moderate Islam": www.clhrf.com (I am a huge admirer of Auster, who btw was received into the Catholic Church just before his death from pancreatic cancer, a little more than a year ago).
On the other, I have two female friends, not close friends but still friends, both Muslim. I ran into one of them early this morning at McDonalds, along with her mother and her young son. Good, sweet, pious people of great kindness; my friend had been up all night fasting and praying since it's Ramadan. I can't reconcile my knowledge of these warm-hearted people with my knowledge of what Islam actually is. Or take the massacre of Jews in Hebron, Palestine in 1929; the reason far more Jews weren't killed is that they were hidden by Muslim neighbours -- an act that puts one in mind of the Good Samaritan.
I haven't figured out how to square this particular circle. My friends would make wonderful Christians, but that's beside the point.

Jul 21st new
(quote) Paul-1049651 said: Here's where I start to feel a little schizoid.
On the one hand, I agree with every word you've written. For something along the same lines that doesn't shrink from setting out the practical consequences, I'd recommend this classic essay by Lawrence Auster, "The Search For Moderate Islam": http://www.clhrf.com/islamic%20issues/moderate.islam28.1.05.htm (I am a huge admirer of Auster, who btw was received into the Catholic Church just before his death from pancreatic cancer, a little more than a year ago).
On the other, I have two female friends, not close friends but still friends, both Muslim. I ran into one of them early this morning at McDonalds, along with her mother and her young son. Good, sweet, pious people of great kindness; my friend had been up all night fasting and praying since it's Ramadan. I can't reconcile my knowledge of these warm-hearted people with my knowledge of what Islam actually is. Or take the massacre of Jews in Hebron, Palestine in 1929; the reason far more Jews weren't killed is that they were hidden by Muslim neighbours -- an act that puts one in mind of the Good Samaritan.
I haven't figured out how to square this particular circle. My friends would make wonderful Christians, but that's beside the point.

Hi Paul, Good points.

Just one possible " squaring " frame : Hope that some sort of " Islamic Reformation " may bring a kind of codification of authority to Islam which leaves folks like your friends making policy, and plan for the capabilities of the unregenerate darksiders.....
Jul 21st new
(quote) Paul-1049651 said: Here's where I start to feel a little schizoid.
On the one hand, I agree with every word you've written. For something along the same lines that doesn't shrink from setting out the practical consequences, I'd recommend this classic essay by Lawrence Auster, "The Search For Moderate Islam": http://www.clhrf.com/islamic%20issues/moderate.islam28.1.05.htm (I am a huge admirer of Auster, who btw was received into the Catholic Church just before his death from pancreatic cancer, a little more than a year ago).
On the other, I have two female friends, not close friends but still friends, both Muslim. I ran into one of them early this morning at McDonalds, along with her mother and her young son. Good, sweet, pious people of great kindness; my friend had been up all night fasting and praying since it's Ramadan. I can't reconcile my knowledge of these warm-hearted people with my knowledge of what Islam actually is. Or take the massacre of Jews in Hebron, Palestine in 1929; the reason far more Jews weren't killed is that they were hidden by Muslim neighbours -- an act that puts one in mind of the Good Samaritan.
I haven't figured out how to square this particular circle. My friends would make wonderful Christians, but that's beside the point.

I think we are talking about the militant Muslims at war with each other, not the
larger percent that are not militant, and that is where your friends lie.
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