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Demonstrators face off with police after tear gas was fired at protesters reacting to the shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri on August 17, 2014. Lucas JacksonReuters

Ferguson is not just about systemic racism it's about class warfare and how America's poor are held back, says Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

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Aug 21st new
(quote) Bernard-2709 said: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar @kaj33 Aug. 17, 2014 SHARE Demonstrators face off with police after tear gas was fired at protesters reacting to the shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri on August 17, 2014. Lucas JacksonReuters Ferguson is not just about systemic racism it's about class warfare and how America's poor are held back, says Kareem Abdul-Jabbarhttp://time.com/#3132635/ferguson-coming-race-war-class-warfare/
The situation revolves around a cop who unnecessarily used lethal force against a teenager. Since this teenager is black, stereotypes come into play.
For example: you might use a descriptive term, not necessarily racist, but may be construed as such by insistent minds, and you get a backlash of condemnations of racism. Take that person into a black community, and they will squirm and ask to be delivered out of that surrounding. They are following a stereotype that is racist, but their political correctness won't allow them to admit it to themselves or to anyone else.
The same scenario exists with the situation in MO. The cop gets justified in killing the teen both because he had stolen something, and fit a stereotype. The uproar bolsters this conviction also because of a racial stereotype. Therefore, rather than the situation receiving the consideration of the events as they truly merit, both the media, and personal prejudices, however subtle, continue to cloud people's minds. Political correctness fosters the real "race war".
Aug 21st new
(quote) Bernard-2709 said: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar @kaj33 Aug. 17, 2014 SHARE Demonstrators face off with police after tear gas was fired at protesters reacting to the shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri on August 17, 2014. Lucas JacksonReuters Ferguson is not just about systemic racism it's about class warfare and how America's poor are held back, says Kareem Abdul-Jabbarhttp://time.com/#3132635/ferguson-coming-race-war-class-warfare/
The term race war implies race, to ay the next "race' war is not about race is a misnomer.
Aug 21st new
(quote) Nigel-873023 said: The situation revolves around a cop who unnecessarily used lethal force against a teenager. Since this teenager is black, stereotypes come into play.
For example: you might use a descriptive term, not necessarily racist, but may be construed as such by insistent minds, and you get a backlash of condemnations of racism. Take that person into a black community, and they will squirm and ask to be delivered out of that surrounding. They are following a stereotype that is racist, but their political correctness won't allow them to admit it to themselves or to anyone else.
The same scenario exists with the situation in MO. The cop gets justified in killing the teen both because he had stolen something, and fit a stereotype. The uproar bolsters this conviction also because of a racial stereotype. Therefore, rather than the situation receiving the consideration of the events as they truly merit, both the media, and personal prejudices, however subtle, continue to cloud people's minds. Political correctness fosters the real "race war".
The officer did not know at the time of the shooting about the robbery so it is irrelevant. The problem here is proving there was racial bias, Unless we have a way to get into the mind of the officer, We will never know. But in any event, there is absolutely no excuse for total anarchy, Looting the stores is just criminal behavior under the guise of protest.
Aug 21st new
(quote) Charles-976166 said: The officer did not know at the time of the shooting about the robbery so it is irrelevant. The problem here is proving there was racial bias, Unless we have a way to get into the mind of the officer, We will never know. But in any event, there is absolutely no excuse for total anarchy, Looting the stores is just criminal behavior under the guise of protest
Cops shooting black males is not a new thing; indeed it's quite regular in some parts of the country.
But with racial stereotypes, he could've been considered a criminal by default, in fact, the cop could have fabricated a crime for the report (who knows why he didn't, excepting the assault assertion), and no one would question it, because of their stereotypical opinions.

Why there is not more outrage about the murder than there is, I suspect, is because of stereotypical opinions about black people. It's blacks doing it, and they have a stereotype for doing this, so it's no big deal. Let the cops put them down, whether the root cause is/was legitimate or not.

There are those taking advantage of the protest to loot and steal, no doubt, but why should this detract from the issue at hand, which is the increasing use of violence by law enforcement?

Aug 21st new
(quote) Nigel-873023 said: The situation revolves around a cop who unnecessarily used lethal force against a teenager. Since this teenager is black, stereotypes come into play.
For example: you might use a descriptive term, not necessarily racist, but may be construed as such by insistent minds, and you get a backlash of condemnations of racism. Take that person into a black community, and they will squirm and ask to be delivered out of that surrounding. They are following a stereotype that is racist, but their political correctness won't allow them to admit it to themselves or to anyone else.
The same scenario exists with the situation in MO. The cop gets justified in killing the teen both because he had stolen something, and fit a stereotype. The uproar bolsters this conviction also because of a racial stereotype. Therefore, rather than the situation receiving the consideration of the events as they truly merit, both the media, and personal prejudices, however subtle, continue to cloud people's minds. Political correctness fosters the real "race war".
Speaking of personal prejudices......" a cop who unnecessarily used lethal force."
You don't know that yet and neither does anybody else.
Aug 21st new
(quote) Nigel-873023 said: Cops shooting black males is not a new thing; indeed it's quite regular in some parts of the country.
But with racial stereotypes, he could've been considered a criminal by default, in fact, the cop could have fabricated a crime for the report (who knows why he didn't, excepting the assault assertion), and no one would question it, because of their stereotypical opinions.

Why there is not more outrage about the murder than there is, I suspect, is because of stereotypical opinions about black people. It's blacks doing it, and they have a stereotype for doing this, so it's no big deal. Let the cops put them down, whether the root cause is/was legitimate or not.

There are those taking advantage of the protest to loot and steal, no doubt, but why should this detract from the issue at hand, which is the increasing use of violence by law enforcement?

Cops shooting black males is not a new thing; indeed it's quite regular in some parts of the country.

Black males shooting black males is not a new thing, indeed it's quite regular in some parts of the country.....infinitely more often than white cops shooting black males. Get your facts straight, Nigel...personal liberal prejudices

Why there is not more outrage about the murder than there is,...

Why there is not more outrage about the way the white cop is being pre-judged is appalling. Perhaps the racist Eric Holder could explain it to us. rolling eyes
Aug 21st new
(quote) Tom-54311 said: Speaking of personal prejudices......" a cop who unnecessarily used lethal force."
You don't know that yet and neither does anybody else.
Tom,why do you continue to insist on using logic and common sense?

A cop, any cop shoots a non-white person no matter what the reason is automatically an unjustified use of force by definition.

Facts and reality does not matter. Even better, one of the most raciest Attorneys General in my lifetime, has told the family that he will see that they receive justice. Understand, he has not prejudged anything he is just stating the facts as they are even though no one knows what the facts are.
Aug 21st new
(quote) Paul-866591 said: Tom,why do you continue to insist on using logic and common sense?

A cop, any cop shoots a non-white person no matter what the reason is automatically an unjustified use of force by definition.

Facts and reality does not matter. Even better, one of the most raciest Attorneys General in my lifetime, has told the family that he will see that they receive justice. Understand, he has not prejudged anything he is just stating the facts as they are even though no one knows what the facts are.
Sorry Paul. I will try to be more emotional from now on. embarassed
laughing
Aug 21st new
(quote) Tom-54311 said: Sorry Paul. I will try to be more emotional from now on.

Police brutality can and does exist. When I was a local elected official, This sadly enough came up. But until we know the facts, we should not prejudge. Also, Black on Black male shootings are pervasive visa vi gang shootings. The part that I find disconcerting , No one addresses the fact that this event was used an excuse for complete anarchy.
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