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what goes around comes around . people are not stupid anymore .
Not all of them, anyway...
A big problem in the 60s, 70s, and even the 80s was that most people had no access to the actual Vatican II documents, so they had no way to verify what they were beng told was true. No so today. The resources are available. However, we can't make people use them...
Padon me, but your paranoia is showing/
fact you cannot hide the truth forever
So, what, precisely, is the truth that you believe is being hidden?
Vatican II was a disaster. Vaguely-worded documents prepared the way for the gutting of the Church. Of course years ago I was taught how wonderful it all was. I can't think of anything good that came of the Council. The problems in the Church only got a lot worse. The fact that the media were so in favor of Vatican II at the time was a sign that the Council was anything but a blessing.
everything finds its way into the media . then the embarrassment starts .
What exactly are you driving at, or are you just going round in circles?
The documents simply, as I and others have amply shown, simply not been implemented. Things, such as the Novus Ordo, the Wreckovations and the hatchet job that was done on the Church Calendar of the Saints were never ordered by the Vatican II fathers or envisioned in the documents. Indeed, some of these abuses were becoming rampant before VII.
So again I ask, are you talking about this, or are you saying that what was done in the "Spirit of Vatican II" really was the will of the council that is being abandoned on the sly?