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10/19/2012 new
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10/27/2012 new

wtaq.com

Bishop David Ricken of the Green Bay Catholic Diocese

GREEN BAY, WI (WTAQ) - The Green Bay Catholic Diocese is reminding parishioners this weekend that their soul is "in jeopardy" for this upcoming election.

People attending Catholic churches in the Green Bay Diocese this weekend will find a message in their newsletters from Bishop David Ricken warning them how they vote on November 6th could put their "soul in jeopardy."

In the message, Ricken asks parishioners to keep Catholic principles in mind when they vote, specifically referring to 5 issues the Church finds "intrinsically evil" such as abortion, embryonic stem cell research and gay marriage.

Bishop Ricken adds that the Church is against "aggressive moves" by the Obama administration which required even religious organizations to provide birth control coverage to employees, if the primary mission of the business was not to advance the organization's religious beliefs. This exempted churches and religious primary schools but not hospitals or universities. The bishop suggests this could force Catholic hospitals to only accept Catholic patients.

The diocese would not comment Friday.The Bishop will apparently speak to the media on Saturday.

Below is the full letter:

Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

AN IMPORTANT MOMENT

It is almost time to vote and to make our choices for president and other political offices both local and national.

You have often heard it said that this is a turning point in our country's history and I could not agree more.

The Church is not a political organism, but as you hopefully have learned in the US Bishops Faithful Citizenship material (which we have made widely available to you in the parishes, in the Compass and on-line), the Church has the responsibility to speak out regarding moral issues, especially on those issues that impact the "common good" and the "dignity of the human person."

I would like to review some of the principles to keep in mind as you approach the voting booth to complete your ballot. The first is the set of non-negotiables. These are areas that are "intrinsically evil" and cannot be supported by anyone who is a believer in God or the common good or the dignity of the human person.

They are:

1. abortion2. euthanasia3. embryonic stem cell research4. human cloning5. homosexual "marriage"

These are intrinsically evil. "A well-formed Christian conscience does not permit one to vote for a political program that contradicts fundamental contents of faith and morals." Intrinsically evil actions are those which have an evil object. In other words, an act is evil by its very nature and to choose an action of this type puts one in grave moral danger.

But what does this have to do with the election? Some candidates and one party have even chosen some of these as their party's or their personal political platform. To vote for someone in favor of these positions means that you could be morally "complicit" with these choices which are intrinsically evil. This could put your own soul in jeopardy.

The other position to keep in mind is the protection of religious liberty. The recent aggressive moves by the government to impose the HHS mandate, especially the move to redefine religion so that religion is confined more and more to the four walls of the Church, is a dangerous precedent.

This will certainly hurt the many health care services to the poor given by our Catholic hospitals. Our Catholic hospitals in the Diocese give millions of dollars per year in donated services to the poor. In the new plan, only Catholic people can be treated by Catholic institutions.

It has never been our mission to be exclusive of those who are not of our faith. This mandate also places Catholic business owners in a very precarious position in that they, too, will have to pay for those medical "services" which violate Catholic teaching. This has never been the American way and now these moves and others by the present government, will significantly alter and marginalize the role of religious institutions in our society.

These positions are indicators of a broader societal disposition to remove God from the public square and from any relation to society whatever. It is precisely religion and the free exercise thereof which has made this country great in the past.

Many people in our Diocese are presently without work. Our Catholic Charities is serving more and more people who are unemployed or under employed and can barely keep up with the demands. Work is so critical to the family and to the sense of human dignity. An economy which does the most for the common good is an economy that works and provides people gainful employment for the country's citizens. A government that works pays its bills and models for citizens what it means to be responsible and contributive.

Let us pray for the electorate and let's take action, that we may vote for good and moral leaders for this great country which will only remain great, if she continues to be and to do the good.

Sincerely yours in Christ,The Most Reverend David L. Ricken, DD, JCLBishop of Green Bay

10/28/2012 new

(Quote) Laura-56149 said: wtaq.com.
(Quote) Laura-56149 said:

wtaq.com

Bishop David Ricken of the Green Bay Catholic Diocese

GREEN BAY, WI (WTAQ) - The Green Bay Catholic Diocese is reminding parishioners this weekend that their soul is "in jeopardy" for this upcoming election.

People attending Catholic churches in the Green Bay Diocese this weekend will find a message in their newsletters from Bishop David Ricken warning them how they vote on November 6th could put their "soul in jeopardy."

In the message, Ricken asks parishioners to keep Catholic principles in mind when they vote, specifically referring to 5 issues the Church finds "intrinsically evil" such as abortion, embryonic stem cell research and gay marriage.

Bishop Ricken adds that the Church is against "aggressive moves" by the Obama administration which required even religious organizations to provide birth control coverage to employees, if the primary mission of the business was not to advance the organization's religious beliefs. This exempted churches and religious primary schools but not hospitals or universities. The bishop suggests this could force Catholic hospitals to only accept Catholic patients.

The diocese would not comment Friday.The Bishop will apparently speak to the media on Saturday.

Below is the full letter:

Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

AN IMPORTANT MOMENT

It is almost time to vote and to make our choices for president and other political offices both local and national.

You have often heard it said that this is a turning point in our country's history and I could not agree more.

The Church is not a political organism, but as you hopefully have learned in the US Bishops Faithful Citizenship material (which we have made widely available to you in the parishes, in the Compass and on-line), the Church has the responsibility to speak out regarding moral issues, especially on those issues that impact the "common good" and the "dignity of the human person."

I would like to review some of the principles to keep in mind as you approach the voting booth to complete your ballot. The first is the set of non-negotiables. These are areas that are "intrinsically evil" and cannot be supported by anyone who is a believer in God or the common good or the dignity of the human person.

They are:

1. abortion2. euthanasia3. embryonic stem cell research4. human cloning5. homosexual "marriage"

These are intrinsically evil. "A well-formed Christian conscience does not permit one to vote for a political program that contradicts fundamental contents of faith and morals." Intrinsically evil actions are those which have an evil object. In other words, an act is evil by its very nature and to choose an action of this type puts one in grave moral danger.

But what does this have to do with the election? Some candidates and one party have even chosen some of these as their party's or their personal political platform. To vote for someone in favor of these positions means that you could be morally "complicit" with these choices which are intrinsically evil. This could put your own soul in jeopardy.

The other position to keep in mind is the protection of religious liberty. The recent aggressive moves by the government to impose the HHS mandate, especially the move to redefine religion so that religion is confined more and more to the four walls of the Church, is a dangerous precedent.

This will certainly hurt the many health care services to the poor given by our Catholic hospitals. Our Catholic hospitals in the Diocese give millions of dollars per year in donated services to the poor. In the new plan, only Catholic people can be treated by Catholic institutions.

It has never been our mission to be exclusive of those who are not of our faith. This mandate also places Catholic business owners in a very precarious position in that they, too, will have to pay for those medical "services" which violate Catholic teaching. This has never been the American way and now these moves and others by the present government, will significantly alter and marginalize the role of religious institutions in our society.

These positions are indicators of a broader societal disposition to remove God from the public square and from any relation to society whatever. It is precisely religion and the free exercise thereof which has made this country great in the past.

Many people in our Diocese are presently without work. Our Catholic Charities is serving more and more people who are unemployed or under employed and can barely keep up with the demands. Work is so critical to the family and to the sense of human dignity. An economy which does the most for the common good is an economy that works and provides people gainful employment for the country's citizens. A government that works pays its bills and models for citizens what it means to be responsible and contributive.

Let us pray for the electorate and let's take action, that we may vote for good and moral leaders for this great country which will only remain great, if she continues to be and to do the good.

Sincerely yours in Christ,The Most Reverend David L. Ricken, DD, JCLBishop of Green Bay

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Relgion is not the issue the survial of the Constitution is . Relgious freedom is discussed in thie document/Billof Rights . without it everyone loses . Please keep the eye on the ball .

10/28/2012 new

(Quote) Michael-556947 said: Relgion is not the issue the survial of the Constitution is . Relgious freedom is discussed in ...
(Quote) Michael-556947 said:

Relgion is not the issue the survial of the Constitution is . Relgious freedom is discussed in thie document/Billof Rights . without it everyone loses . Please keep the eye on the ball .

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What is your problem with this? It is a letter from a Bishop. You have your priorities, I have mine. For me keeping my eye on the ball is following Catholic teaching! It isn't either-or, it is all...religious freedom, abortion, etc. We need to vote against intrinsic evil.

10/28/2012 new

(Quote) Laura-56149 said: What is your problem with this? It is a letter from a Bishop. You have your priorities...
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What is your problem with this? It is a letter from a Bishop. You have your priorities, I have mine. For me keeping my eye on the ball is following Catholic teaching! It isn't either-or, it is all...religious freedom, abortion, etc. We need to vote against intrinsic evil.

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Dang it, girl. You aren't keeping your eye on the ball either?


(tossing the ball over Laura's head) = rolling eyes <---Laura keeping her eye on the ball.

10/28/2012 new

(Quote) Laura-56149 said: wtaq.com.
(Quote) Laura-56149 said:

wtaq.com

Bishop David Ricken of the Green Bay Catholic Diocese

GREEN BAY, WI (WTAQ) - The Green Bay Catholic Diocese is reminding parishioners this weekend that their soul is "in jeopardy" for this upcoming election.

People attending Catholic churches in the Green Bay Diocese this weekend will find a message in their newsletters from Bishop David Ricken warning them how they vote on November 6th could put their "soul in jeopardy."

In the message, Ricken asks parishioners to keep Catholic principles in mind when they vote, specifically referring to 5 issues the Church finds "intrinsically evil" such as abortion, embryonic stem cell research and gay marriage.

Bishop Ricken adds that the Church is against "aggressive moves" by the Obama administration which required even religious organizations to provide birth control coverage to employees, if the primary mission of the business was not to advance the organization's religious beliefs. This exempted churches and religious primary schools but not hospitals or universities. The bishop suggests this could force Catholic hospitals to only accept Catholic patients.

The diocese would not comment Friday.The Bishop will apparently speak to the media on Saturday.

Below is the full letter:

Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

AN IMPORTANT MOMENT

It is almost time to vote and to make our choices for president and other political offices both local and national.

You have often heard it said that this is a turning point in our country's history and I could not agree more.

The Church is not a political organism, but as you hopefully have learned in the US Bishops Faithful Citizenship material (which we have made widely available to you in the parishes, in the Compass and on-line), the Church has the responsibility to speak out regarding moral issues, especially on those issues that impact the "common good" and the "dignity of the human person."

I would like to review some of the principles to keep in mind as you approach the voting booth to complete your ballot. The first is the set of non-negotiables. These are areas that are "intrinsically evil" and cannot be supported by anyone who is a believer in God or the common good or the dignity of the human person.

They are:

1. abortion2. euthanasia3. embryonic stem cell research4. human cloning5. homosexual "marriage"

These are intrinsically evil. "A well-formed Christian conscience does not permit one to vote for a political program that contradicts fundamental contents of faith and morals." Intrinsically evil actions are those which have an evil object. In other words, an act is evil by its very nature and to choose an action of this type puts one in grave moral danger.

But what does this have to do with the election? Some candidates and one party have even chosen some of these as their party's or their personal political platform. To vote for someone in favor of these positions means that you could be morally "complicit" with these choices which are intrinsically evil. This could put your own soul in jeopardy.

The other position to keep in mind is the protection of religious liberty. The recent aggressive moves by the government to impose the HHS mandate, especially the move to redefine religion so that religion is confined more and more to the four walls of the Church, is a dangerous precedent.

This will certainly hurt the many health care services to the poor given by our Catholic hospitals. Our Catholic hospitals in the Diocese give millions of dollars per year in donated services to the poor. In the new plan, only Catholic people can be treated by Catholic institutions.

It has never been our mission to be exclusive of those who are not of our faith. This mandate also places Catholic business owners in a very precarious position in that they, too, will have to pay for those medical "services" which violate Catholic teaching. This has never been the American way and now these moves and others by the present government, will significantly alter and marginalize the role of religious institutions in our society.

These positions are indicators of a broader societal disposition to remove God from the public square and from any relation to society whatever. It is precisely religion and the free exercise thereof which has made this country great in the past.

Many people in our Diocese are presently without work. Our Catholic Charities is serving more and more people who are unemployed or under employed and can barely keep up with the demands. Work is so critical to the family and to the sense of human dignity. An economy which does the most for the common good is an economy that works and provides people gainful employment for the country's citizens. A government that works pays its bills and models for citizens what it means to be responsible and contributive.

Let us pray for the electorate and let's take action, that we may vote for good and moral leaders for this great country which will only remain great, if she continues to be and to do the good.

Sincerely yours in Christ,The Most Reverend David L. Ricken, DD, JCLBishop of Green Bay

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Thank you for posting this, Laura. How I would love to see something like this included in our church bulletins here. There has been almost nothing (but the Bishops Faithful Citizenship material - printed in extremely tiny type) in the Holy Name Cathedral Bulletin (I almost had to get out a magnifying glass to read it. I know it's in downtown Chicago, but really, I wish either the Cardinal (who is really very sick and undergoing serious treatment and isn't even being seen at public appearances now) or, in his stead, one of his Bishops had written a letter even half as good as this and distributed it. Here, of all places, all of these liberal, cafeteria Catholics who have bought into the Democratic lies NEED to hear this. Their souls are in jeopardy, and frankly, I think their pastors are not leading them and instructing them as they should at this crucial time.

10/28/2012 new

(Quote) Wendy-387654 said: Dang it, girl. You aren't keeping your eye on the ball either? (tossi...
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Dang it, girl. You aren't keeping your eye on the ball either?


(tossing the ball over Laura's head) = <---Laura keeping her eye on the ball.

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At least not Michael's ball scratchchin laughing

10/28/2012 new

(Quote) Patricia-29176 said: Thank you for posting this, Laura. How I would love to see something like this included...
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Thank you for posting this, Laura. How I would love to see something like this included in our church bulletins here. There has been almost nothing (but the Bishops Faithful Citizenship material - printed in extremely tiny type) in the Holy Name Cathedral Bulletin (I almost had to get out a magnifying glass to read it. I know it's in downtown Chicago, but really, I wish either the Cardinal (who is really very sick and undergoing serious treatment and isn't even being seen at public appearances now) or, in his stead, one of his Bishops had written a letter even half as good as this and distributed it. Here, of all places, all of these liberal, cafeteria Catholics who have bought into the Democratic lies NEED to hear this. Their souls are in jeopardy, and frankly, I think their pastors are not leading them and instructing them as they should at this crucial time.

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I know. I think the priests just gave up here...:( They figure we are a blue state. However, there are senate races. One church I go to is pretty active, the other passive.

10/29/2012 new

biggrin Praying I agree Wendy! And, 'Pray'! My Mom has the 'Today Show' and mainstream election news on 24/7, and she has gone from considering to vote for Romney after the Clint Eastwood speech a few weeks ago, to believing the Democratic 'lies' about him, and becomming very against him and Pro Obama again boggled! Iv'e pretty much been a Democratic Voter (The little I have actually voted eyepopping ) until this current election. Although, I do not favor, nor promote the Mormon religion; I do promote life and freedom of religion theheart! This, I'm greatful to realize due to other Pro life - Romney posts on Catholic Match forums, as well as EWTN. I have definately converted to Republican for good! I may be in the 'lower' income range, but I'm not going to compromise my spiritual and religious freedom; or that of my fellow brothers for any person or government. Also, my Mom says that she 'knows' what is going on with the election and the type of people and the policies of our president elects because she watches the news continuously, although she has not turned on EWTN in months (years) sorry That is where I learned of Obamas measure to have healthcare plans required to cover contraception, which could 'End' Catholic charities to say the least!! We Catholic Christians need to pray rosary Praying and evangalize for Life (Romney) on this election! God Bless! wave

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