(Quote) Marian-83994 said:
I think that the definition of honor for most people today has been watered down from how...
(Quote) Marian-83994 said:
I think that the definition of honor for most people today has been watered down from how you describe it here. Thanks for explaining this by the way. It does seem you are describing a cultural take on the idea of honor, more than a watered down bleached out honor we might think of today in America. However it occurs to me that we think of our military personnel as having honor and that seems to be the best manifestation of at least something like corporal honor that comes to mind. Are we talking about the same thing yet? I am drugged up on cold medicine at this time..
That's OK. I'm sipping a glass of wine now, so will be as fuzzy as you with your cold medicine soon. How did Winnie write all those marvelous tomes, govern Britain, and fight a world war while constantly sipping brandy...I have no idea!
Honor is a very important virtue for a military person to cultivate, and for a military unit too.
Really, honor means your reputation. Honor is all about your reputation. The reason a man of honor would not lie, is that if the lie were found out his reputation would be hurt, and honor is ALL about your reputation.
Honor is also about glory. It is about the glory you have won to exalt your reputation. You win this glory as a military person by winning battles and by exhibiting other virtues thought important by the military, such as bravery, loyalty, obedience, etc. But the reputation part of it is what leads to the honor.
Integrity is related but a little different. Integrity means what you say and what you do are the same, both when seen and when not seen. Integrity means there aren't two sets of behaviors, but one integrated whole that always acts the same. The opposite is disintegrated which means the components are flying apart: saying this and doing that...like a lot of politicians we know. The opposite of integrity is two faced, or speaking with forked tongue as the Indians would say. (Amazing so many of them have their Faith after the lack of integrity shown by their Caucasian conquerors. But I digress.)
A person of integrity could be evil, as long as he says he will do evil and then does it as he said. So integrity is another virtue that is important but insufficient to make a good man.
Integrity is important to a man of honor, because his honor, or reputation, would be hurt if it were discovered he had said one thing but done another. So a man of honor will cultivate integrity. But the honor part is about glory and reputation. The integrity part is about consistency.
One last thought. The Christian who truly cultivates honor and integrity believes that it is our reputation and consistency before God that is paramount. So, if he is well with God, then he can tolerate the slights or misunderstandings of the philistine mortals to some degree. True honor is our reputation with our Creator. True integrity is being honest and consistent before His all seeing eyes. Just to complicate matters a little. :-)
For a nice play on this subtlety of honor, may I suggest "A Man for All Season" by Bolt. Thomas Moore lost his honor before his king, but retained it before God. His dying words were, "I die the king's loyal servant, but God's first."