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10/01/2012 new

(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: That is incorrect....Obama is 100 percent in favor of abortions and said he wouldn&#...
(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said:




That is incorrect....Obama is 100 percent in favor of abortions and said he wouldn't "punish" his daughter with a baby if she got pregnant. He also has supported and PROMOTED killing the baby even if it was born alive....plenty of people have posted the links to these sites that show this. He PROMOTED more abortions than any other president ever by using tax dollars to fund them overseas AS WELL AS increasing funding to planned parenthood and other abortionist via Obama care with our tax dollars. Romney will NOT use tax dollars to fund abortions or birth control and will not take away our freedom of religion.

I highlighted above where the Bishop says a vote for a candidate that promotes intrinsic evil puts your sould at risk....you were willing for some reason to vote for Ron Paul who held the same beliefs as Romney but not for Romney.....I still adhere to the fact that if you aren't helping Romney to get in, you are helping Obama....PERIOD....this is a two party race....PERIOD.

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I agree Cheryl. The reality is that this IS a two party race, and a vote for Romney is still a vote AGAINST Obama who is clearly hostile to Catholics. While this thread focuses on abortion, and Romney does support abortion in limited cases, I am looking at the bigger picture. Obama's America would be a secular, socialist state which dismisses religious input entirely. The HHS mandate / Obamacare force Catholic institutions - which includes many Catholic health care organizations - to pay / provide services which are against their own teachings. I wonder if this is an attempt to force Catholic- based hospitals etc.... out so he can create his personal vision of government - controlled socialized medicine? It wouldn't surprise me at all. In addition, his support for same-sex marriage ignores basic Christian values and forces society to accept as normal something which the majority of Americans consider an abomination. The sick reality of this will be a generation of young people who grow up believing that it really is normal because that's what they saw!

Our religious leaders need to speak out against all these evils promoted by Obama! Where are they?! They don't have to endorse Romney, but they should be educating Catholics, and yes, the lesser of two evils is still better than certain evil.

10/01/2012 new

(Quote) Cathy-620979 said: Nobody is good enough to be president. Just like nobody is good enough to be the ...
(Quote) Cathy-620979 said:

Nobody is good enough to be president.

Just like nobody is good enough to be the husband or wife of single people on CM.

Never settle. Always hold out for someone better.

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scratchchin

You are probably right in your assertion. We haven't had ideal candidates for some time.

What's the alternative? Don't vote at all? Insert the name of a write-in candidate who has no chance at all?

I think your other comments will be startling to the readers. We're all imperfect, so what we're looking for is the best among the imperfect. There is a countless number of people who can qualify for this or else mankind is doomed.

If we hold-out for someone better, how will we know when there is no one better? If we keep holding out, we'll certainly be alone for an awfully long time.

10/01/2012 new

(Quote) Matt-61677 said: Cheryl, I did see the post by Charles and your response after I wrote it. It's still fla...
(Quote) Matt-61677 said:

Cheryl,

I did see the post by Charles and your response after I wrote it. It's still flawed. A vote for Romney is a vote for Romney. A vote for Obama is a vote for Obama. And a vote for nobody is a vote for nobody. The effect of voting for nobody might be that the other candidate gets in (yes it helps) but the vote for nobody is still a vote for nobody. To say a person casting no vote in race is voting for the other person is putting words in their mouth.

I agree there are two outcomes to this election; Romney or Obama. My vote has a pretty small impact on that. There are two outcomes to my life; Heaven or Hell. My vote has a far bigger effect on that. And I think honesty in voting your conscience is extremely important in that

Please note I am probably voting fpr Romney. He has really not impressed me with with campaign at all and I am dubious of his ability to lead the country well. I do really like Ryan, and Obama really is that bad. And there's hope Romney can lead well all this has been said.)

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But if the election comes down to a couple of votes for Romney and a couple of people don't vote, even though they are republicans and don't want Obama back in office again. Romney loses because they didn't vote??? Right??? Now multiply that by say 10.000 or more and Romeny loses because they didn't vote ???Right??? Makes sense to me ???

10/01/2012 new

(Quote) Mary-486033 said: No action IS action! Moral ramifications will result from inaction. There is moral culpability when one d...
(Quote) Mary-486033 said: No action IS action! Moral ramifications will result from inaction. There is moral culpability when one does nothing but passively stand by and allow evil to triumph. Especially when you were given the means to remove that which is evil. Obama's policies and plans are intrinsically evil from a moral standpoint. Obama's policies and plans attack the Constitution. Therefore, as a Catholic and as a U.S. citizen, one has a duty to vote him out of office/defeat him. This is even more critical since the race is so close.

On a side note: If our brave and dedicated military can risk life and limb for our Freedoms, the very least we can do is make a well-formed decision and fulfill our duty to vote.
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No action is told in the Bible buy Jesus??? Remember the parable about the slave that earned nothing on the money why his master was away??? His taking no action got him tied up and thrown in hell, Didn't it ???

10/01/2012 new

(Quote) Matt-61677 said: No, this is flawed logic, and we need to stop using it. I could just as easily say by not voting fo...
(Quote) Matt-61677 said:

No, this is flawed logic, and we need to stop using it. I could just as easily say by not voting for Obama I am voting for Romney.

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Not that many years ago Ross Perot burst on the scene.

He was more main stream and intelligent than Ron Paul is today. But he had the chance of a snowball surving in hell to win.

A lot who thought exactly as you and Charles are thinking voted for him or just did not vote because of the choice between the only two candidates who had a chance of being elected.

In that election Clinton won his first term. Interestingly enough, if all those who voted for Perot or refused to vote had voted against Clinton, he would not have won. The protest voters made all the difference.

A clear illuistration of the fact that by not voting in this election for the lesser of two evils means,in itsm ultimate effect, that you WILL BE voting for Obama. The election is that close.

10/01/2012 new

(Quote) Craig-388270 said: "Then with all her might she struck him twice in the neck and cut off his head" <...
(Quote) Craig-388270 said: "Then with all her might she struck him twice in the neck and cut off his head"

(Judith 13:8)

"Christianity is for little old ladies" is a nasty slogan.

"Christianity is for little old ladies who vote" is closer to the Truth.

The Soviet Union was toppled by little old ladies (Babushkas) who went to church daily.

The little old ladies who were fooled into voting for OBama the first time,

won't make the same mistake.

The little old ladies who hold their nose to vote for Romney,

will return him to his private mansion.

All of the phone banking and yard signs can't put humpty dumpty back together again.

OBama is done.

Romney is next.
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Craig - You're not commenting on the election. You're commenting on the structural integrity of the country, correct?

10/01/2012 new

(Quote) Charles-512043 said: If I vote for nobody, that's a vote for nobody.
(Quote) Charles-512043 said: If I vote for nobody, that's a vote for nobody.
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10/01/2012 new
(Quote) Mary-486033 said: No action IS action! Moral ramifications will result from inaction. There is moral culpability when one does noth...
(Quote) Mary-486033 said: No action IS action! Moral ramifications will result from inaction. There is moral culpability when one does nothing but passively stand by and allow evil to triumph. Especially when you were given the means to remove that which is evil. Obama's policies and plans are intrinsically evil from a moral standpoint. Obama's policies and plans attack the Constitution. Therefore, as a Catholic and as a U.S. citizen, one has a duty to vote him out of office/defeat him. This is even more critical since the race is so close.



On a side note: If our brave and dedicated military can risk life and limb for our Freedoms, the very least we can do is make a well-formed decision and fulfill our duty to vote.
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10/01/2012 new

Going back to the OP:

I do think the next Pres will likely be a one-termer, because whomever is elected, the economy is likely to get a lot worse before it gets better. With the Euro in crisis, with Iran and therefore Al Quaida about to get Nukes, with Quatitative Easing Permanent destroying the dollar, with the Fiscal Cliff looming, and with interest rates having nowhere to go but up, we have a few more rivers to cross.

What we need then is a person who will do the right thing, rather than the thing that will be popular.

Obama has been doing the wrong thing since he got in office and promises more of the same only worse if re-elected.

We can only hope Romney will do the right thing and start to turn around the ship of state, away from the rocks and shoals and back into deep water. The price for this may, however, be a one term presidency. Although, perhaps, if the people see things improving four years from now, he might be given a second term, as Reagan was. But, that should not be the goal. The goal should be to do the right thing, the fiscally and morally responsible thing.

10/01/2012 new
(Quote) John-727073 said: Craig - You're not commenting on the election. You're commenting on the structural integrity of ...
(Quote) John-727073 said:



Craig - You're not commenting on the election. You're commenting on the structural integrity of the country, correct?

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I am commenting on the election - by commenting on the candidates - saying that both are one termers

I think the structural integrity of the country will be fine.

To expand upon what I have written I will state that...

The country will regain its spiritual intregrity - by enduring OBama and Romney.

People of Faith, meaning all religions, will come out stronger,

individually, as parishes, dioceses, and denominations.

The political parties will decrease in power.

Government Tramples. God Transforms.
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