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Oct 1st 2012 new
(Quote) Matt-61677 said: Well, I'm sure there are plenty of good candidates out there, but there are only two guys in the race. There&...
(Quote) Matt-61677 said:

Well, I'm sure there are plenty of good candidates out there, but there are only two guys in the race. There's actually no guarentee that the primary process has to give us two qualified candidates.



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Matt, you hit the nail on the head with this one. Sadly, the best candidates did not prevail in the primaries. Not in 2012 nor 2008, frankly. I just hope that 2012 ends better than 2008 did.
Oct 1st 2012 new

(Quote) Edward-512961 said: Matt, you hit the nail on the head with this one. Sadly, the best candidates did not prevail in...
(Quote) Edward-512961 said:

Matt, you hit the nail on the head with this one. Sadly, the best candidates did not prevail in the primaries. Not in 2012 nor 2008, frankly. I just hope that 2012 ends better than 2008 did.
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I don't necessarily think any of the other candidates were "better" or "worse" than Romney. They all had their baggage.


Gingrich? He would have been hammered on his torrid personal life. All day long.

Santorum? He would have alienated a large majority of the independent moderate voters. And, then Obama's team would focus on making the 2012 campaign about social issues and not what it should really be about: the economy.


Paul? He is not a social conservative by any means. Sure, he has a big following, but think how much of the base wouldn't vote for him.


The point is, I don't think any of the individuals would have fared much better than Romney is right now. I think it is less about having a weak candidate and more just the sad state of our country. We live in an American Idol world, and many people vote for the Homecoming King rather than investigate the issues.

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(Quote) Melissa-537851 said: I don't necessarily think any of the other candidates were "bet...
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I don't necessarily think any of the other candidates were "better" or "worse" than Romney. They all had their baggage.




Gingrich? He would have been hammered on his torrid personal life. All day long.





Santorum? He would have alienated a large majority of the independent moderate voters. And, then Obama's team would focus on making the 2012 campaign about social issues and not what it should really be about: the economy.






Paul? He is not a social conservative by any means. Sure, he has a big following, but think how much of the base wouldn't vote for him.






The point is, I don't think any of the individuals would have fared much better than Romney is right now. I think it is less about having a weak candidate and more just the sad state of our country. We live in an American Idol world, and many people vote for the Homecoming King rather than investigate the issues.

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Other than your first sentence, every word you wrote is definitely true. But consider this; who would you prefer to face Obama in the debates: Romney or Gingrich? Voters largely are ignoring Obama's negatives, so I don't think that Gingrich's would weigh him down significantly. Pundits are saying the race could be "decided" after the first 90 minutes of Romney's and Obama's first debate. I am worried how well Romney will perform. If Gingrich was facing Obama, he would make chopped liver out of Obama. Sadly, a lost opportunity. boggled
Oct 1st 2012 new
(Quote) Melissa-537851 said: The point is, I don't think any of the individuals would have fared much better than Romney...
(Quote) Melissa-537851 said:


The point is, I don't think any of the individuals would have fared much better than Romney is right now. I think it is less about having a weak candidate and more just the sad state of our country. We live in an American Idol world, and many people vote for the Homecoming King rather than investigate the issues.

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I totally agree with you. In fact, I like Romney. I do NOT consider him the "lesser of two evils"...not by any stretch of the imagination!

The liberal media demonizes and villianizes anyone and everyone who is politically and socially conservative.

7 Incredible Personal Stories About Mitt Romney That You May Not Know

townhall.com
Oct 1st 2012 new

(Quote) Edward-512961 said: Voters largely are ignoring Obama's negatives, so I don't think that Gingrich's wou...
(Quote) Edward-512961 said:

Voters largely are ignoring Obama's negatives, so I don't think that Gingrich's would weigh him down significantly.

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Part of the reason No-Mo-bama's negatives are ignored by the voters is because they are either glossed over or ignored by the MSM. Do you think they'd give Gingrich a pass? More likely they's be all over him like white on rice (thanks to whomever I borrowed that expression from...)

Oct 1st 2012 new
(Quote) Jerry-74383 said: Part of the reason No-Mo-bama's negatives are ignored by the voters is because they are eith...
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Part of the reason No-Mo-bama's negatives are ignored by the voters is because they are either glossed over or ignored by the MSM. Do you think they'd give Gingrich a pass? More likely they's be all over him like white on rice (thanks to whomever I borrowed that expression from...)



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I agree.
Oct 1st 2012 new
(Quote) Edward-512961 said: Other than your first sentence, every word you wrote is definitely true. But consider this; who would you...
(Quote) Edward-512961 said:

Other than your first sentence, every word you wrote is definitely true. But consider this; who would you prefer to face Obama in the debates: Romney or Gingrich? Voters largely are ignoring Obama's negatives, so I don't think that Gingrich's would weigh him down significantly. Pundits are saying the race could be "decided" after the first 90 minutes of Romney's and Obama's first debate. I am worried how well Romney will perform. If Gingrich was facing Obama, he would make chopped liver out of Obama. Sadly, a lost opportunity.
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I do agree with you about Gingrich's ability to debate Obama.

Romney is way too nice. He has to demonstrate measured assertion with Obama in these debates...without showing disrespect for the Office of the President.
Oct 1st 2012 new

(Quote) Thomas-699657 said: (Quote) Matt-61677 said: Cheryl, I did see the post by Charles and...
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Cheryl,

I did see the post by Charles and your response after I wrote it. It's still flawed. A vote for Romney is a vote for Romney. A vote for Obama is a vote for Obama. And a vote for nobody is a vote for nobody. The effect of voting for nobody might be that the other candidate gets in (yes it helps) but the vote for nobody is still a vote for nobody. To say a person casting no vote in race is voting for the other person is putting words in their mouth.

I agree there are two outcomes to this election; Romney or Obama. My vote has a pretty small impact on that. There are two outcomes to my life; Heaven or Hell. My vote has a far bigger effect on that. And I think honesty in voting your conscience is extremely important in that

Please note I am probably voting fpr Romney. He has really not impressed me with with campaign at all and I am dubious of his ability to lead the country well. I do really like Ryan, and Obama really is that bad. And there's hope Romney can lead well all this has been said.)


But if the election comes down to a couple of votes for Romney and a couple of people don't vote, even though they are republicans and don't want Obama back in office again. Romney loses because they didn't vote??? Right??? Now multiply that by say 10.000 or more and Romeny loses because they didn't vote ???Right??? Makes sense to me ???

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YEP.

Oct 1st 2012 new

(Quote) Joseph-750000 said: (Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: That is incorrect....Obama is 100...
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That is incorrect....Obama is 100 percent in favor of abortions and said he wouldn't "punish" his daughter with a baby if she got pregnant. He also has supported and PROMOTED killing the baby even if it was born alive....plenty of people have posted the links to these sites that show this. He PROMOTED more abortions than any other president ever by using tax dollars to fund them overseas AS WELL AS increasing funding to planned parenthood and other abortionist via Obama care with our tax dollars. Romney will NOT use tax dollars to fund abortions or birth control and will not take away our freedom of religion.

I highlighted above where the Bishop says a vote for a candidate that promotes intrinsic evil puts your sould at risk....you were willing for some reason to vote for Ron Paul who held the same beliefs as Romney but not for Romney.....I still adhere to the fact that if you aren't helping Romney to get in, you are helping Obama....PERIOD....this is a two party race....PERIOD.


I agree Cheryl. The reality is that this IS a two party race, and a vote for Romney is still a vote AGAINST Obama who is clearly hostile to Catholics. While this thread focuses on abortion, and Romney does support abortion in limited cases, I am looking at the bigger picture. Obama's America would be a secular, socialist state which dismisses religious input entirely. The HHS mandate / Obamacare force Catholic institutions - which includes many Catholic health care organizations - to pay / provide services which are against their own teachings. I wonder if this is an attempt to force Catholic- based hospitals etc.... out so he can create his personal vision of government - controlled socialized medicine? It wouldn't surprise me at all. In addition, his support for same-sex marriage ignores basic Christian values and forces society to accept as normal something which the majority of Americans consider an abomination. The sick reality of this will be a generation of young people who grow up believing that it really is normal because that's what they saw!

Our religious leaders need to speak out against all these evils promoted by Obama! Where are they?! They don't have to endorse Romney, but they should be educating Catholics, and yes, the lesser of two evils is still better than certain evil.

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Welcome to the forums Joseph!

Oct 1st 2012 new

My Two cents worth if this makes sense: WATCH THE DEBATES (ALL OF THEM) IF YA CAN SOMEOF YA NEED TO CHILL; WATCH THE DEBATES THEN THERE WILL BE POLLS OUT I BET AS SOON AS (EACH) DEBATES IS OVER! OR SOON AFTER THAT; THERE ALREADY SAYING I FORGET ONE OF THE "NEW'S CHANNELS" ON "EARLY VOTING" HAS OBAMA IN THE LEAD; (ON ONE OF THE STATES) ANYWAY IT WILL BE A TIGHT RACE VOTE PEOPLE VOTE AND WATCH THE DEBATES; THEN (MAYBE) SOMEBODY CAN START A "DEBATE" THREAD ON HERE!! MIKE "PEACE"!!wave

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