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Oct 4th 2012 new
(Quote) Mary-486033 said: (Quote) Victor-544727 said: (Quote) Cat-163322 said: Anyone else th...
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Anyone else think it is strange and narcissistic to hear Obama refer to the "The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act," or the "Healthcare for America Plan" as "Obamacare"? Is that the official name of this plan/act?

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... is the "official" title of the Obamacare law.


In Newsweek's article, "Why Obama Must Go", Niall Ferguson said, "A much more accurate term would be 'Pelosicare," since it was she who really forced the bill through Congress."



btw: I don't think "Obamacare" is the official name.
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HURT: Obama the debater: Making Jimmy Carter look awesome

"Party like its 1980!

Bewildered and lost without his teleprompter, President Obama flailed all around the debate stage last night. He was stuttering, nervous and petulant. It was like he had been called in front of the principal after goofing around for four years and blowing off all his homework.

Not since Jimmy Carter faced Ronald Reagan has the U.S. presidency been so embarrassingly represented in public. Actually, thats an insult to Jimmy Carter."

Read more:www.washingtontimes.com
Oct 4th 2012 new

A lighter moment in the debate...

Romney was talking about some cuts that he would make to the Federal budget. Romney said... I like PBS. I like Big Bird, and I like you Jim (Jim Lehrer - debate moderator and PBS content contributor), but I won't borrow money from China to pay for it!

Ed

Oct 4th 2012 new

(Quote) Bernard-2709 said: Yes just ask Jerry .Great debate.Obama fails because of his losing record above all else.
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Yes just ask Jerry .Great debate.Obama fails because of his losing record above all else.

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The best I can do is to lock the other topic and leave a link here.

Oct 4th 2012 new

(Quote) Cat-163322 said: Anyone else think it is strange and narcissistic to hear Obama refer to the "The Patient Prote...
(Quote) Cat-163322 said:

Anyone else think it is strange and narcissistic to hear Obama refer to the "The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act," or the "Healthcare for America Plan" as "Obamacare"? Is that the official name of this plan/act?

Cat

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I think it is the "Affordable Care and Patient Protection Act," but since it is neither affordable nor affords patients any protection, Conservatives do not like to use the 1984-style spin title given it by the Democrat Comgress. Since it is one of the most unpopular pieces of legislation passed in the last generation, labeling it as "Obamacare" seems to do no harm.

I agree though, it is a little un-nerving to see the President so happy with the title. As if it were his idea. "Pelosicare" or "Pelosi-Reed-Obamacare" would be more appropriate. But this President is obsessed with his legacy. Try massive unemployment, disregard for the Constitution and dead ambassadors along with doubling the national debt in 4 years...that's enough legacy for anyone.

Reminding people about it reminds us that Obama's signature piece of legislation:
1. Was not his creation, yet he loves to glory in it.
2. Was passed in a totally partisan fashion, without acquiring even one Republican vote
3. And actually takes $700 billion from Medicare to pay for it, in addition to something like 17 other taxes that clamp in over the next several years, including the Mandate.

I thought Romney did a pretty good job of calling Obama out on the differences. Most importantly to me were the lack of bipartisanship in the passing of Obamacare, and the fact that it is a States Rights issue. Romney actually turned the topic to his own advantage, because Romneycare was Bipartisan, and responded to the needs of a leftist State. I'm not sure I bought his claim that it reduced costs...would have to look at that one more closely. But, clearly, Romney is not going to try to impose from the Federal level something that belongs at the state level. The Tenth Amendment will survive under him.

Oct 4th 2012 new

(Quote) ED-20630 said: A lighter moment in the debate...Romney was talking about some cuts that he would make to the...
(Quote) ED-20630 said:

A lighter moment in the debate...

Romney was talking about some cuts that he would make to the Federal budget. Romney said... I like PBS. I like Big Bird, and I like you Jim (Jim Lehrer - debate moderator and PBS content contributor), but I won't borrow money from China to pay for it!

Ed

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I liked this too. Roger Hedgecock was really calling Jim Lehrer out on the radio today for the obvious conflict of interest in having him moderate the debate when one of the candidates has already said he would defund PBS. But, to Mr. Lehrer's credit, there were no liberal plant questions like that stooge Stephanopolis did in the primary debate. Lehrer, except for trying to help the poor President along a few times with some coaching, which might have been out of pure compassion, kept the questions simple and balanced and the tone respectful. Mr. Lehrer lived up to his excellent reputation from the McNeill-Lehrer Report, which was one of the better TV News shows over the years.

But, it was great the Mr. Romney called him out on it once, just to put the Country on notice that the conflict of interest existed. It was according to the Navy style: the best defense being "the well directed fire from our own guns."

Oct 4th 2012 new

(Quote) Gerald-283546 said: Wow! My reaction to the first debate:Impressive: an intelligent man versus a mediocre ma...
(Quote) Gerald-283546 said:

Wow! My reaction to the first debate:

Impressive: an intelligent man versus a mediocre man. A man of accomplishment and understanding versus a man who is an ideologue and a puppet and who has just taken from government handouts his whole life.

It appeared to me that Mr. Romney's vision was vibrant, mostly realistic, and likely effective. He is a leader but also understands the 10th Amendment. He is a man who can work across the isle. Yet, he defended himself well against Obama's mischaracterizations of him, and led the discussion always back to what would create jobs and preserve freedom.

On the contrary, Mr. Obama gave more lame spin, straw man demagoguery and generalization. He is a man who has refused to work across the isle in any way. And in true Saul Alinsky fashion, he accused his opponent of doing exactly what he himself was in fact doing, refusing specifics. Mr. Obama's Chicago political machine lying through his teeth came out again and again.

Perhaps I am a little biased, since I do not like Mr. Obama's vision of big government and socialism.
But, I was so impressed that Mr. Romney was hard hitting, bold but not rude, assertive, reasonably specific for a general debate.

No question in my mind who should lead the USA and the free World.

What say you?

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I agree with all of your assertions Gerald. I enjoyed watching and listening to Romney very much. I saw that Obama was visibly upset while listening to Romney many times. I was very happy with the outcome and I knew Romney would do a great job before this debate and he both exceeded and met my expectations. Sadly I saw what you did in President Obama.

Oct 4th 2012 new

I thought that Jim Lehrer did a really good job too. I have always thought that the McNeil-Lehrer show was perhaps the best in terms of actually being thoughtful, well balanced and really informatiive. I did sort of expect that there may be a bit of left-leaning bias in terms of the way that the questions would be asked. I was impressed that (almost) all of the questions seemed to be asked in a very neutral manner.

Ed

Oct 4th 2012 new

Also, I was glad that Lehrer did not try to over-moderate the debate. I think that it turned out much better that it was a bit uncontrolled at times.

Ed

Oct 4th 2012 new

(Quote) ED-20630 said: Also, I was glad that Lehrer did not try to over-moderate the debate. I think that it turned out much...
(Quote) ED-20630 said:

Also, I was glad that Lehrer did not try to over-moderate the debate. I think that it turned out much better that it was a bit uncontrolled at times.

Ed

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Yes, I liked this too. He gently tried to keep it on track, but when one of them had a rebuttal he just had to make, Mr. Lehrer was not disrespectful, but let them carry on. This allowed it to be more of a real debate, with assertion and rebuttal, rather than a series of defensive parries of partisan questions like in the primary debates. In the primaries, you had almost all liberal questioners deliberately asking questions designed to discredit the candidates. This time there was none of that. All this is to the organizers and Mr. Lehrer's credit.

We can only hope the next 3 will be as well run.

Oct 4th 2012 new

(Quote) Gerald-283546 said: Wow! My reaction to the first debate: Impressive: an intelligent man versus a mediocre m...
(Quote) Gerald-283546 said:

Wow! My reaction to the first debate:

Impressive: an intelligent man versus a mediocre man. A man of accomplishment and understanding versus a man who is an ideologue and a puppet and who has just taken from government handouts his whole life.

It appeared to me that Mr. Romney's vision was vibrant, mostly realistic, and likely effective. He is a leader but also understands the 10th Amendment. He is a man who can work across the isle. Yet, he defended himself well against Obama's mischaracterizations of him, and led the discussion always back to what would create jobs and preserve freedom.

On the contrary, Mr. Obama gave more lame spin, straw man demagoguery and generalization. He is a man who has refused to work across the isle in any way. And in true Saul Alinsky fashion, he accused his opponent of doing exactly what he himself was in fact doing, refusing specifics. Mr. Obama's Chicago political machine lying through his teeth came out again and again.

Perhaps I am a little biased, since I do not like Mr. Obama's vision of big government and socialism.
But, I was so impressed that Mr. Romney was hard hitting, bold but not rude, assertive, reasonably specific for a general debate.

No question in my mind who should lead the USA and the free World.

What say you?

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I was reading comments on a Yahoo article that was about Romney doing well and I have to share...thought it funny:)

"293users liked this comment 14users disliked this comment" gadfly05 "Wait for the media deluge over the next several days telling you how you didn't see what you just saw."

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