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Oct 5th 2012 new
(Quote) Patricia-29176 said: I just can't take it anymore, if Mitt Romney doesn't get elected, I think I'll need the vacation ...
(Quote) Patricia-29176 said:

I just can't take it anymore, if Mitt Romney doesn't get elected, I think I'll need the vacation (oh yeah, I already have one planned - down to Puerto Vallarta end of November (perhaps I'll look at apartments while I'm there if Obama was reelected.)

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Oct 5th 2012 new

(Quote) Jim-624621 said: Where DO we go if Obama is re-elected? If freedom fails here, there simply will be NO place to go....
(Quote) Jim-624621 said:

Where DO we go if Obama is re-elected? If freedom fails here, there simply will be NO place to go...
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Actually, that's a really good question, Jim, and I've been looking into it. There don't seem to be any really good options. If you're retired or can work via computer, it's a bit easier. My best choice as of right now is Mexico. Yes, I know they're corrupt, but they don't really bother tourists/expats (since they want our business). And, the drug gangs aren't interested in us either - they're just killing off each other. So, as long as you always carry some cash around to pay off the police (they live on subsistence incomes and so bribery is a way of life there), you're okay. The medical care is actually very good and quite cheap in Mexico (and I say this as a physician). There are even some US physicians (really good ones) that have moved there and are practicing. And, yet, you're close enough to the US to come back here if you really need excellent medical care. The country also still has quite a Catholic culture which I love (you see crucifixes and statues in public venues) and there are many Catholic churches. The cost of living although it's increased, is still cheaper than the U.S. I've also looked into other Central American Countries, but for one reason or another - climate, safety, medical care, etc., I end up ruling them out. Australia/New Zealand might be okay, but they are far away and fairly expensive! I would love to hear if anybody has any other ideas?

Sorry, Gerald, for getting off-track here!

Oct 5th 2012 new

laughing Mary!!! Ahhhhh, ba-deebah deebah... That's All Folks!

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(Quote) Mary-486033 said: More examples of Obama without his teleprompter. Scary! Obama lost without a tel...
(Quote) Mary-486033 said: More examples of Obama without his teleprompter. Scary!

Obama lost without a teleprompter - www.youtube.com

Obama tells teleprompter to speed up - www.youtube.com

1/26/10 Obama even needs teleprompter to address sixth grade class www.youtube.com
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Oct 5th 2012 new
(Quote) Patricia-29176 said: Actually, that's a really good question, Jim, and I've been looking into it. There don't ...
(Quote) Patricia-29176 said:



Actually, that's a really good question, Jim, and I've been looking into it. There don't seem to be any really good options. If you're retired or can work via computer, it's a bit easier. My best choice as of right now is Mexico. Yes, I know they're corrupt, but they don't really bother tourists/expats (since they want our business). And, the drug gangs aren't interested in us either - they're just killing off each other. So, as long as you always carry some cash around to pay off the police (they live on subsistence incomes and so bribery is a way of life there), you're okay. The medical care is actually very good and quite cheap in Mexico (and I say this as a physician). There are even some US physicians (really good ones) that have moved there and are practicing. And, yet, you're close enough to the US to come back here if you really need excellent medical care. The country also still has quite a Catholic culture which I love (you see crucifixes and statues in public venues) and there are many Catholic churches. The cost of living although it's increased, is still cheaper than the U.S. I've also looked into other Central American Countries, but for one reason or another - climate, safety, medical care, etc., I end up ruling them out. Australia/New Zealand might be okay, but they are far away and fairly expensive! I would love to hear if anybody has any other ideas?

Sorry, Gerald, for getting off-track here!

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Patricia, that all sounds good (if you say so). I have a friend who served in the USMC for 20 years flying Black hawks, and now he has TS clearance and works for the USMC national operations center. He tells me to avoid Mexico. In fact, there were more murders in Nuevo Laredo last year than the total number of American casualties in the Vietnam War. That is the way things are NOW. In a SHTF scenario, people in Mexico are going to do anything for food and water. Money will be worthless. Food and water will be the most precious commodities. I can't remember the passage, but someone could probably Google it, that says they will throw their gold and silver in the streets as garbage. I know this is something most people do not like to think about, or even think is possible. Sorry, history tells us otherwise, and Europeans and Asians that are coming to American now tell us that our politicians look and sound like the ones they used to have, right before they became communist.

The most important thing is to be spiritually prepared to leave this place at a moment's notice. Next if you have a plan to store and save (food, water, seeds) what you can to ride out an "event", you will be far ahead of most people. The last place I want to be in an "event" scenario is in the city or in a crowded place where it is not possible to feed everyone. The Bible tells us that this coming world government, the 10 toes of the statue in Nebuchadnezzar's dream as interpreted by Daniel, will be the last and weakest kingdom and last the least amount of time.

No one knows what God's plan is for these coming days, but I think we can all sense that it is getting closer. We should not put our faith in governments, but in God alone.
Oct 5th 2012 new

(Quote) Jim-624621 said: Patricia, that all sounds good (if you say so). I have a friend who served in the USMC for 20 year...
(Quote) Jim-624621 said:

Patricia, that all sounds good (if you say so). I have a friend who served in the USMC for 20 years flying Black hawks, and now he has TS clearance and works for the USMC national operations center. He tells me to avoid Mexico. In fact, there were more murders in Nuevo Laredo last year than the total number of American casualties in the Vietnam War. That is the way things are NOW. In a SHTF scenario, people in Mexico are going to do anything for food and water. Money will be worthless. Food and water will be the most precious commodities. I can't remember the passage, but someone could probably Google it, that says they will throw their gold and silver in the streets as garbage. I know this is something most people do not like to think about, or even think is possible. Sorry, history tells us otherwise, and Europeans and Asians that are coming to American now tell us that our politicians look and sound like the ones they used to have, right before they became communist.

The most important thing is to be spiritually prepared to leave this place at a moment's notice. Next if you have a plan to store and save (food, water, seeds) what you can to ride out an "event", you will be far ahead of most people. The last place I want to be in an "event" scenario is in the city or in a crowded place where it is not possible to feed everyone. The Bible tells us that this coming world government, the 10 toes of the statue in Nebuchadnezzar's dream as interpreted by Daniel, will be the last and weakest kingdom and last the least amount of time.

No one knows what God's plan is for these coming days, but I think we can all sense that it is getting closer. We should not put our faith in governments, but in God alone.
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I should have clarified that everyone should avoid the border areas in Mexico. But, I have friends that live in Puerto Vallarta either year-round or 3-6 months per year and they all consistently say that there is no problem there. I was last down there 2 years ago, but will see a bit more when I go down next month. And, I agree that downtown Chicago (where I live) is definitely not the best place to be (unless Obama protects it!)

Oct 5th 2012 new

(Quote) Gerald-283546 said: Wow! My reaction to the first debate: Impressive: an intelligent man versus a mediocre m...
(Quote) Gerald-283546 said:

Wow! My reaction to the first debate:

Impressive: an intelligent man versus a mediocre man. A man of accomplishment and understanding versus a man who is an ideologue and a puppet and who has just taken from government handouts his whole life.

It appeared to me that Mr. Romney's vision was vibrant, mostly realistic, and likely effective. He is a leader but also understands the 10th Amendment. He is a man who can work across the isle. Yet, he defended himself well against Obama's mischaracterizations of him, and led the discussion always back to what would create jobs and preserve freedom.

On the contrary, Mr. Obama gave more lame spin, straw man demagoguery and generalization. He is a man who has refused to work across the isle in any way. And in true Saul Alinsky fashion, he accused his opponent of doing exactly what he himself was in fact doing, refusing specifics. Mr. Obama's Chicago political machine lying through his teeth came out again and again.

Perhaps I am a little biased, since I do not like Mr. Obama's vision of big government and socialism.
But, I was so impressed that Mr. Romney was hard hitting, bold but not rude, assertive, reasonably specific for a general debate.

No question in my mind who should lead the USA and the free World.

What say you?

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I was proud of our boy- he did great.

Oct 5th 2012 new

I just listened to what Bob Woodward had to say about Obama's performance. He thinks that there was some distraction in Obama's personal or presidential life that caused his lackluster performance. He is saying this clearly not to excuse Obama, but trying to figure out why this happened because he said that when he interviewed Obama for his book, Obama was articulate, engaged, etc. (and, Woodward did ask Obama tough questions during those personal interviews when he was doing the research for his book which is now on the shelves). It's an interesting hypothesis, and he even speculated that it might have been some information Obama had received about international/terrorist activities. It would seem that for Obama to be that "distracted" it would be something huge and likely bad for him (as to me he seems to be quite self-centered and self-involved.)

To me, though, in the campaigning since the debates, Obama seems back to normal, so I'm not sure this hypothesis holds up.

Oct 6th 2012 new

I think that the more probable reasons for Obama's poor performance include some/all of the following:


>> He has a terrible economic to defend.


>> He has a very poor understanding of business, the economy, market forces and capitalism... and how it all works. This affects every important domestic issue.


>> He thought that he could just "wing it" because of the force and like-ability of his personality.


>> He has gone for at least four years without anyone seriously challenging him on his policies and his record.


>> In a debate setting, he does not have the same ability to not answer questions as he does in a press conference.


>> In the debates, Romney is not trying to be his friend, so he does not have to hold back on challenging Obama.


>> In the president's usual press conferences and interviews, the reporters are hesitant to get him too upset because they may get blocked from future access to the president.

Just my thoughts.


Ed

Oct 6th 2012 new
(Quote) Patricia-29176 said: I just listened to what Bob Woodward had to say about Obama's performance. He thinks that there was some ...
(Quote) Patricia-29176 said:

I just listened to what Bob Woodward had to say about Obama's performance. He thinks that there was some distraction in Obama's personal or presidential life that caused his lackluster performance. He is saying this clearly not to excuse Obama, but trying to figure out why this happened because he said that when he interviewed Obama for his book, Obama was articulate, engaged, etc. (and, Woodward did ask Obama tough questions during those personal interviews when he was doing the research for his book which is now on the shelves). It's an interesting hypothesis, and he even speculated that it might have been some information Obama had received about international/terrorist activities. It would seem that for Obama to be that "distracted" it would be something huge and likely bad for him (as to me he seems to be quite self-centered and self-involved.)

To me, though, in the campaigning since the debates, Obama seems back to normal, so I'm not sure this hypothesis holds up.

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Could it be that he simply doesn't know what he is doing? He was without advisors. He didn't have his teleprompter. He doesn't grasp the complexity of the material. He wasn't able to control the questioning. He didn't feel like putting in the hard mental work required for the POTUS "interview" (laziness). He felt indignant about being challenged by Romney. But, maybe there was something more??? Do you think subconsciously, he KNOWS he is a failure and is bluffing his way through domestic and international crises? Or subconsciously he gave up?

Krauthammer On Obama's Debate Performance: "He Isn't Half As Intelligent As He Thinks He Is

"Look, people say, Obama was off his game. This is his game. If you take away a prompter, this is his game. He'll occasionally give a great speech, but if you look at him in his news conferences, which where you don't have a prompter and the president has more control, he gets to ask to decide who the questioner is and he gets to decide how long he talks, and what parts of an answer he'll give, he never does well. So this is who he is. I think people -- he's intelligent, but he isn't half as intelligent as he thinks he is and as most of his acolytes who, you know, have treated him in a messianic way for a half decade or so think he is," syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer said about President Obama's performance at last night's debate.

www.realclearpolitics.com

(Interesting. As I am finishing this up, I see Ed posted and essentially said the same thing.)
Oct 6th 2012 new
The pictorial on the cover of 10-15-12 "The New Yorker" is pretty amazing!

Romney at the Presidential Debate podium. An empty chair at the other podium. mischievous

www.newyorker.com
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