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Oct 9th 2012 new

(Quote) Cathy-620979 said: When I saw this posted yesterday I emailed the pastor Fr. Chad Puthoff of St. Thomas Aquina...
(Quote) Cathy-620979 said:

When I saw this posted yesterday I emailed the pastor Fr. Chad Puthoff of St. Thomas Aquinas to say I didn't think this kind of announcement was appropriate for a church bulletin.


He responded:

"I try and keep as light a hand as possible on the bulletin. The article mentioned came from the individual parishioner listed as the contact. Personally, I do think our country stands in need of much prayer--as always. I personally do not like a sectarian prayer such as the rosary used in public forums, and consequently will not be at the rally. I think a discussion of issues, as we have had and will have in the debates, is far more useful. And I do not see our country at some cataclysmic hour, for such a view, I think, lacks Christian hope. I'd suggest you and others contact the parishioner in question for this and similar issues."

which seems like a good attitude. I just wish we could keep this stuff out of bulletins, and keep people from trying to turn Catholic parishes into grassroots Republican campaign operations. Of course, AME and black Baptist churches have been doing grassroots work for the Democrats for years, and evangelicals and white Baptists started up 30 years ago working for the Republicans. But that's no excuse. We can be better than them.

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There was a time when Catholic priests, bishops, and nuns marched publicly to promote equality. Praying the Rosary for our Country, protection for the unborn, and religious freedom should be supremely important for all American Catholics this Saturday at 1:00 p.m. Those of you who don't care that our Country is being run by a socialist president, that children are being murdered before they have a chance to live outside the womb, and our Church and religious freedom are under siege by the American government are welcome to stay at home.


- Elizabeth

Oct 10th 2012 new

(Quote) Wendy-387654 said: ...or did you change (even twist) the words enough to send a message that did not reflect wha...
(Quote) Wendy-387654 said:


...or did you change (even twist) the words enough to send a message that did not reflect what has been shared above?


How about you give me his email and I will copy my above response and then ask him what he thinks? Or copy Elizabeth's and send that. Or send both of ours.


And....if "our country isn't at some cataclysmic hour", then WHY is our Catholic Church taking such a stance?

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Why would you accuse me of something like that? I quoted the bulletin on his parish website. My email was:

Hello,

I am a Catholic, although I am not a parishoner at St. Thomas Aquinas.

It is important that the Church stay out of politics and not endorse
candidates or parties. It is important that we recognize citizens can
be good members of the Church no matter who they vote for.

I am disturbed by a notice in your parish bulletin about a public Rosary Rally.

It says:

"One can hardly disagree that America has turned her back on God in so
many ways. Secularists have tried to drive religion and morality out
of the public square and out of our schools."

This is certainly NOT true. It smacks of political rhetoric
attempting to get people to vote for the Republican candidates.

Please remember to stay neutral in elections and do not give the
impression that Catholics should vote for one candidate or party.

Thank you.

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As far as his response that "our country isn't at some cataclysmic hour" I'm sure the large majority of Americans would agree, as would, I venture, the majority of American Catholic priests. A hundred years from now 2012 will be seen as just another unremarkable year.

Oct 10th 2012 new
My parish has a rosary every Wednesday night for our Country & knowing there are some in the parish that don't agree with others Political views it is simply an open invite to pray for the Good of the Whole Country....be it Republican or Democrat.....if it is only the ones who have more conservative values who show up that is just how it is..... rosary rosary
Oct 10th 2012 new
(Quote) Cathy-620979 said: Why would you accuse me of something like that? I quoted the bulletin on his parish website. ...
(Quote) Cathy-620979 said:



Why would you accuse me of something like that? I quoted the bulletin on his parish website. My email was:





Hello,

I am a Catholic, although I am not a parishoner at St. Thomas Aquinas.

It is important that the Church stay out of politics and not endorse
candidates or parties. It is important that we recognize citizens can
be good members of the Church no matter who they vote for.

I am disturbed by a notice in your parish bulletin about a public Rosary Rally.

It says:

"One can hardly disagree that America has turned her back on God in so
many ways. Secularists have tried to drive religion and morality out
of the public square and out of our schools."

This is certainly NOT true. It smacks of political rhetoric
attempting to get people to vote for the Republican candidates.

Please remember to stay neutral in elections and do not give the
impression that Catholics should vote for one candidate or party.

Thank you.





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As far as his response that "our country isn't at some cataclysmic hour" I'm sure the large majority of Americans would agree, as would, I venture, the majority of American Catholic priests. A hundred years from now 2012 will be seen as just another unremarkable year.



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I would agree that the large majority of Americans don't believe that we are at some cataclysmic hour. They are mostly clueless. You can find a "Catholic" priest that will tell you anything you want to hear today, so that is not a measure of anything. The Church has been attacked by the policies of Kathleen Sebellius and Barack Obama through the Obamacare healthcare mandate. In case you are unaware, that means that Catholics have to pay for abortions whether they want to or not. As a Catholic, this is appalling and against conscience. Of course, some people don't have a Catholic conscience, so it doesn't bother them. If you vote for Obama, you don't have a Catholic conscience. Obama and Sebellius declared war on the Catholic Church because they know history. Every time socialism has failed, it was the Catholic Church leading the way. Their goal is to neutralize the threat to their globalist schemes by forcing Catholics to choose between conscience and financial gain. Jesus said that you cannot serve both. The devil knows that too.
Oct 10th 2012 new

[quote]Cathy-620979 said:

"It is important that the Church stay out of politics and not endorse
candidates or parties. It is important that we recognize citizens can
be good members of the Church no matter who they vote for."


It may be important to you, Cathy, that the Church not get involved with murder of children and stiffling of religious freedom, but the Church that I belong to stands for life of all people including the unborn and the only way the Church can continue to do that in America is if we have religious freedom.


- Elizabeth

Oct 10th 2012 new

(Quote) Jim-624621 said: I would agree that the large majority of Americans don't believe that we are at some cataclysm...
(Quote) Jim-624621 said:

I would agree that the large majority of Americans don't believe that we are at some cataclysmic hour. They are mostly clueless. You can find a "Catholic" priest that will tell you anything you want to hear today, so that is not a measure of anything. The Church has been attacked by the policies of Kathleen Sebellius and Barack Obama through the Obamacare healthcare mandate. In case you are unaware, that means that Catholics have to pay for abortions whether they want to or not. As a Catholic, this is appalling and against conscience. Of course, some people don't have a Catholic conscience, so it doesn't bother them. If you vote for Obama, you don't have a Catholic conscience. Obama and Sebellius declared war on the Catholic Church because they know history. Every time socialism has failed, it was the Catholic Church leading the way. Their goal is to neutralize the threat to their globalist schemes by forcing Catholics to choose between conscience and financial gain. Jesus said that you cannot serve both. The devil knows that too.
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Well said, Jim. Thank you.


- Elizabeth

Oct 10th 2012 new

A hundred years from now 2012 will be seen as just another unremarkable year.

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You have a very naive view of the cost of life, liberty and the pursute of happiness, Cathy. Many have served, fought, and died to give you the opportunity to have and express such lack of insight.


- Elizabeth

Oct 11th 2012 new

(Quote) Jim-624621 said: . As a Catholic, this is appalling and against conscience. Of course, some people don't have a...
(Quote) Jim-624621 said:

. As a Catholic, this is appalling and against conscience. Of course, some people don't have a Catholic conscience, so it doesn't bother them. If you vote for Obama, you don't have a Catholic conscience. Obama and Sebellius declared war on the Catholic Church because they know history. Every time socialism has failed, it was the Catholic Church leading the way. Their goal is to neutralize the threat to their globalist schemes by forcing Catholics to choose between conscience and financial gain. Jesus said that you cannot serve both. The devil knows that too.
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Excellent post Jim. Interestingly enough, the bishops of Illinois are currently addressing this very point of having a conscience. Without a well formed = an informed conscience, our road in life changes significantly, which includes how we vote. When we start sentences with "I think", and don't align our thoughts with our Catholic Church, our conscience becomes watered down or unaligned with God's desires.


The inserts contained in my church bulletin have been copied and put in the catholicvote thread here in the Culture/Current Event forum, part one of a four part series. They're a full page read, but well worded and powerful in message.

Oct 11th 2012 new
(Quote) Cathy-620979 said: I am disturbed by a notice in your parish bulletin about a public Rosary Rally
(Quote) Cathy-620979 said:

I am disturbed by a notice in your parish bulletin about a public Rosary Rally

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Oct 11th 2012 new

(Quote) Wendy-387654 said: Without a well formed = an informed conscience, our road in life changes significantly, ...
(Quote) Wendy-387654 said:

Without a well formed = an informed conscience, our road in life changes significantly, which includes how we vote. When we start sentences with "I think", and don't align our thoughts with our Catholic Church, our conscience becomes watered down or unaligned with God's desires.


The inserts contained in my church bulletin have been copied and put in the catholicvote thread here in the Culture/Current Event forum, part one of a four part series. They're a full page read, but well worded and powerful in message.

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Um, it's supposed to say "without a well formed conscience = an uninformed conscience." The point is if we don't form our conscience via our Church's and scripture's guidance, then our conscience is uninformed.


Ignore the mumble jumble of my post. Guess my coffee hadn't kicked in yet when I wrote it. boggled

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