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Oct 17th 2012 new

I have not read all the posts in this thread, so I am not sure if the video below has been shared. In case it has not, I suggest that we share this video with everyone we can. It very clearly outlines why so many who have in the past have stayed on the sidelines and are now endorsing Mitt Romney. The video was made by a former Romney critic who have now endorsed Mitt Romney.


- Elizabeth


www.youtube.com

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Oct 17th 2012 new

(Quote) Laura-56149 said: John, I don't think any amount of information right now is "too much". W...
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John, I don't think any amount of information right now is "too much". We are in a very close campaign and need all the info we can get. Mary is spending a large amount of her valuable time to provide this. Maybe one of these links will touch just one person. This is the appropriate place to provide these, this thread is titled "What Can We Do to Get Romney/Ryan elected" There are other forums that are just for fun that you might enjoy:)

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Tut,tut!


Laura, I do not need to defend my sense of humor to you, nor would I ever critisize your perception that it wasn't humor. I assure you I was not attacking Mary's efforts to inform others.


But I take umbrage to your suggestion that I may be too shallow to comprehend and participate in important issues. In my opinion, it is healthy to take a break from intensity with a little humor. Granted, I could have presented it differently.


It is important to remain calm in stressful circumstances, and especially in surviving as a Catholic in these times.

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Oct 17th 2012 new
I didn't see the whole debate last night, but it appears that Romney has flipped his position once again and is now AGAINST allowing employers to decide whether their employees will have contraceptive coverage:

www.huffingtonpost.com

By the way, I think that you can make a strong case that preserving the Affordable Health Care Act will lead to FEWER abortions in America.

Jesus' teachings do NOT call us all to be Republican party foot soldiers, and I don't believe that one has to vote Republican in order to be a faithful Catholic. The Church tells us strongly to consider sanctity of life issues but does NOT tell us we have to vote Republican.

Have a great day!
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Oct 17th 2012 new

(Quote) Wendy-387654 said: Um, John. Have you looked at the catholicvote thread? Our CATHOLIC CHURCH is up in ...
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Um, John. Have you looked at the catholicvote thread? Our CATHOLIC CHURCH is up in arms about the notion that our religious freedom is at stake. This isn't about Mary having a burning desire to get people to have their heads on straight, it's about getting faithful Catholics to follow their church! Our church is speaking to us, we need to listen. Mary and others are just getting the message out because our national media no longer gives us accurate information.

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Good grief!


I was not mocking Mary's efforts to inform. I am proud to know of her and her dedication - I have followed her in other threads with growing appreciation. And I could say the same about a few others.


Wendy, I think it is obvious that you, Mary, and others possess a strong desire for getting catholics to be more fasithful catholics by following the teachings of the church. This effort is mostly cerebral which lends itself to "getting their heads on straight".


The terms, fire, burning, desire, passion, among others, have often been used to describe the Sacred Heart's all consuming love for us. Indeed, such phraseology is not uncommon to descibe the passion of anyone devoted to a cause.


Peace to all!

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Oct 17th 2012 new
(Quote) Jacqueline-556574 said: Can you imagine being a public school teacher and having to deal with addressing parents as Mr. & Mr. White ...
(Quote) Jacqueline-556574 said: Can you imagine being a public school teacher and having to deal with addressing parents as Mr. & Mr. White or Mrs. and Mrs. Brown.



I feel bad for kids who have to deal with this for a lifetime, and have no choice in the matter.
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I live in a city where there are many gay couples, including my next door neighbors. I treat them the same as any other neighbors.

None of us has a choice in who are parents are. I agree that the road may be more difficult in some ways for children with gay parents, but the greatest commandment, above all others, is love, right? So a child with two loving gay parents may turn out just fine and be much more blessed than one with no responsible parent or an abusive heterosexual parent.

Sometimes having an unusual family or a difference, such as a disabled sibling, teaches a child compassion and tolerance.
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Oct 17th 2012 new

(Quote) Mary-486033 said: Wendy, Thank you.  So true... No burning desire to "help people get their heads on s...
(Quote) Mary-486033 said: Wendy, Thank you.  So true...

No burning desire to "help people get their heads on straight". Frankly, I could be doing other things. To say I never had an interest in politics, law, economics, or finance would be an understatement. Sat in on way too many boring law school classes with friends while in grad student for a totally different discipline. Sat there tuning it out...literally...studying decibels and frequencies as my passion was audiology. So, uh, no to that poster...I don't want a guy to work on politics with me. Politics is not a passion of mine.

But due to Obama and Obamacare, I will not stand idly by and watch a socialist devour the country I love. Nor my Church. Nor the best medical care in the world. How dare he! Mr. Obama, hell hath no fury like babushka ladies with rosary beads in their hands.
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Politics is not a passion of mine either. I was referring to the passion you have ably displayed in this thread and others.

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Oct 17th 2012 new

Wow I just watched Romney's video of him talking about the 47%. He's absolutely right. I AM in that 47%. I have a disability. My doctors and my mentors(who see me once a week) are suprised that I have done better with my illness than ANYONE they've ever treated. I told them it was because I believe I can still contribute and take control of my life. I don't believe that because I have a disability it means I should stop aiming for a job, or stop trying to be independent. And I definitely don't believe I have to be on gov't handouts my whole life! I went up to Minneapolis because my friend lives up there. There was a party. I was explaining my disability. I said that my new venture was taking care of dogs while their owners are away. I told them that this was my first time at working in three years. After explaning my disability all I heard was...."You shouldn't have to do that. You should be taking care of yourself. It's because the gov't doesn't take care of people". Then I heard hundreds of rediculous cases of people who are mentally slow not having jobs, or people who are missing a leg. Well, down here almost all of the people hired to collect carts at Walmart are mentally slow. All of the greeters at Walmart are senior citizens. Baggers at grocery stores. And I can't begin to say how many people who mow lawns have issues. I even know of a man who runs his own business that is mentally slow. One Autistic man, my neighbor has a farm(his parents and siblings make sure the person doing the books is honest). I think giving people money blindly is not good. In the VA there is a program that trains people who suffer from mental illness for jobs. Small-business is the best place for people with disabilities. I think not having a job hurts a persons self-esteem. It hurts their self-confidence. I always felt use-less. Like I had something to contribute but had no idea how to contribute. Everyone kept wanting to shove me into the group of people who must be "taken care of". I now see it when I go to visit people in nursing homes. I see it in our churches food pantry. Although more prevalent there are simply people who don't care to have a job. I said this once before. A woman came in one of the food pantries because she was looking to hire someone down on their luck to paint her sheds and her house. Out of the 700 people in our town that go to the food pantry. She couldn't find but 2 who wanted to do it. She was even going to provide lunch and transportation. She ended up putting it in the newspaper. I have no idea why people didn't want to do it. I think people have been told to often that there is nothing they can do. I don't like that attitude at all. I don't like making people feel like they are victims. And that to me is what American society does.

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Oct 17th 2012 new

Wow I just watched Romney's video of him talking about the 47%. He's absolutely right. I AM in that 47%. I have a disability. My doctors and my mentors(who see me once a week) are suprised that I have done better with my illness than ANYONE they've ever treated. I told them it was because I believe I can still contribute and take control of my life. I don't believe that because I have a disability it means I should stop aiming for a job, or stop trying to be independent. And I definitely don't believe I have to be on gov't handouts my whole life! I went up to Minneapolis because my friend lives up there. There was a party. I was explaining my disability. I said that my new venture was taking care of dogs while their owners are away. I told them that this was my first time at working in three years. After explaning my disability all I heard was...."You shouldn't have to do that. You should be taking care of yourself. It's because the gov't doesn't take care of people". Then I heard hundreds of rediculous cases of people who are mentally slow not having jobs, or people who are missing a leg. Well, down here almost all of the people hired to collect carts at Walmart are mentally slow. All of the greeters at Walmart are senior citizens. Baggers at grocery stores. And I can't begin to say how many people who mow lawns have issues. I even know of a man who runs his own business that is mentally slow. One Autistic man, my neighbor has a farm(his parents and siblings make sure the person doing the books is honest). I think giving people money blindly is not good. In the VA there is a program that trains people who suffer from mental illness for jobs. Small-business is the best place for people with disabilities. I think not having a job hurts a persons self-esteem. It hurts their self-confidence. I always felt use-less. Like I had something to contribute but had no idea how to contribute. Everyone kept wanting to shove me into the group of people who must be "taken care of". I now see it when I go to visit people in nursing homes. I see it in our churches food pantry. Although more prevalent there are simply people who don't care to have a job. I said this once before. A woman came in one of the food pantries because she was looking to hire someone down on their luck to paint her sheds and her house. Out of the 700 people in our town that go to the food pantry. She couldn't find but 2 who wanted to do it. She was even going to provide lunch and transportation. She ended up putting it in the newspaper. I have no idea why people didn't want to do it. I think people have been told to often that there is nothing they can do. I don't like that attitude at all. I don't like making people feel like they are victims. And that to me is what American society does.

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Oct 17th 2012 new
[quote]Marissa-529206 said:

Wow I just watched Romney's video of him talking about the 47%. He's absolutely right. I AM in that 47%.

Hi Marissa. I agree with you that the fact that people receive some kind of assistance for a disability or other situation does NOT mean that they don't want to work or contribute to society!

What I understand Romney to have said to his immoral rich donors (the guy whose house the fundraiser was at is someone who throws notorious sex parties) was that his political message was not going to to resonate with people who don't pay federal income taxes because his campaign had been centered on lowering federal income taxes. He was basically admitting that his campaign does not offer to someone who doesn't need his or her federal income taxes lowered. And he was saying that everyone who is lower income or receives some kind of government benefit (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps, Free or reduced-price Lunch, Pell grants, Veterans benefits, etc.) was a moocher on the rest of society. That is completely untrue and unfair in my opinion.

I think it is critical that we have a safety net in place for those times when we need assistance. And we all need assistance from others at some point in our lives, at the very least when we are babies or when we are very old.

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Oct 17th 2012 new
I should add though that just receiving some kind of assistance temporarily does not mean that one views himself or herself as a "victim." That is ridiculous.

The federal work-study and student loan programs that allowed me to go to college and law school have allowed me to be more self-sufficient and to contribute MORE toward society. My loans were paid back in full a long time ago. And those programs helped me in concrete way for which I will always be grateful. This topic has been automatically locked due to size. Any further discussion can be continued in a new topic.
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