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10/10/2012 new

The Power of Ten!! I was listening to Mike Gallagher and he said we need to use the internet to get out the vote. It's a powerful tool that Obama takes full use of. It has been proven that if people pledge to do something that they are more invested and will follow through. So click on The Power of Ten and pledge your vote and send it to at least ten more people:)
www.mikeonline.com

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10/10/2012 new

People need to be more aware of these things:

www.foxnews.com


thelede.blogs.nytimes.com

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10/10/2012 new
(Quote) Laura-56149 said: I am praying that their are plenty of people that will vote for Romney in the privacy of the voting ...
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I am praying that their are plenty of people that will vote for Romney in the privacy of the voting booth but are too afraid to speak up because of these repressive attacks

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Google Saul Alinsky. He wrote a book called Rules for Radicals and dedicated it to Satan. Communists use ridicule because they have no rational arguments.
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10/10/2012 new

I came across this article from Bishop Thomas John Paprocki that he recommends everyone read before voting. I know this article is long, but it is worth reading.

Think and pray about your vote in the upcoming election
by Bishop Thomas John Paprocki

My dear brothers and sisters in Christ:

Much attention was given at the Democratic National Convention held recently in Charlotte, N.C., to the fact that all references to God had been purged from the draft version of the party platform. After outcries of protest from outside as well as within the Democratic Party, the sentence with the same reference to God used in 2008 was restored to read, "We need a government that stands up for the hopes, values and interests of working people, and gives everyone willing to work hard the chance to make the most of their God-given potential."

Before anyone relaxes and concludes that all is well now that the Democratic Party Platform contains a single passing reference to God, the way that this was done should give us pause. Convention chairman Antonio Villaraigosa had to call for the voice vote three times because each time the sound level for the "ayes" and the "nays" sounded about even, far short of the two-thirds necessary according to convention rules to amend the platform. That did not stop the convention chairman from declaring, "The ayes have it!"

What is troubling about that is the blatant disregard for the rules and for the apparent wishes of about half the delegates. The reference to God is back in the platform apparently because President Obama wanted it back in. That may be fine for now, but if a future president wants references to God taken out, apparently that can be done regardless of the wishes of the delegates if that is what The Leader wants. That does not bode well for democracy in the Democratic Party.

Even more troubling is that this whole discussion about God in the platform is a distraction from more disturbing matters that have been included in the platform. In 1992 Presidential candidate Bill Clinton famously said that abortion should be "safe, legal and rare." That was the party's official position until 2008. Apparently "rare" is so last century that it had to be dropped, because now the Democratic Party Platform says that abortion should be "safe and legal." Moreover the Democratic Party Platform supports the right to abortion "regardless of the ability to pay." Well, there are only three ways for that to happen: either taxpayers will be required to fund abortion, or insurance companies will be required to pay for them (as they are now required to pay for contraception), or hospitals will be forced to perform them for free.

Moreover, the Democratic Party Platform also supports same-sex marriage, recognizes that "gay rights are human rights," and calls for the repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act, the federal law signed by President Clinton in 1996 that defined marriage as the legal union of one man and one woman.

Now, why am I mentioning these matters in the Democratic Party Platform? There are many positive and beneficial planks in the Democratic Party Platform, but I am pointing out those that explicitly endorse intrinsic evils. My job is not to tell you for whom you should vote. But I do have a duty to speak out on moral issues. I would be abdicating this duty if I remained silent out of fear of sounding "political" and didn't say anything about the morality of these issues. People of faith object to these platform positions that promote serious sins. I know that the Democratic Party's official "unequivocal" support for abortion is deeply troubling to pro-life Democrats.

So what about the Republicans? I have read the Republican Party Platform and there is nothing in it that supports or promotes an intrinsic evil or a serious sin. The Republican Party Platform does say that courts "should have the option of imposing the death penalty in capital murder cases." But the Catechism of the Catholic Church says (in paragraph 2267), "Assuming that the guilty party's identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor. If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people's safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity to the dignity of the human person. Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm — without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself — the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity are very rare, if not practically nonexistent."

One might argue for different methods in the platform to address the needs of the poor, to feed the hungry and to solve the challenges of immigration, but these are prudential judgments about the most effective means of achieving morally desirable ends, not intrinsic evils.

Certainly there are "pro-choice" Republicans who support abortion rights and "Log Cabin Republicans" who promote same-sex marriage, and they are equally as wrong as their Democratic counterparts. But these positions do not have the official support of their party.

Again, I am not telling you which party or which candidates to vote for or against, but I am saying that you need to think and pray very carefully about your vote, because a vote for a candidate who promotes actions or behaviors that are intrinsically evil and gravely sinful makes you morally complicit and places the eternal salvation of your own soul in serious jeopardy.

I pray that God will give you the wisdom and guidance to make the morally right choices.

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10/10/2012 new

Thanks, Patricia,


I plan to pray the rosary tomorrow at 7pm for the success of the Romney/Ryan ticket in November. What a great idea to organize Catholic Match members to pray that God will grant wisdom to voters in America in choosing a new President. I'm looking forward to the Ryan-Biden debate too.


May God forgive our country for allowing the murder of millions of babies, for not protecting the dignity of marriage, and for selfishly centering on material goods rather than love of God and others. May God also heal our hearts and focus our minds on doing His will.


In seeking God's help in November we probably need to repent, fast and pray.


God Bless You,


Kay

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10/10/2012 new

(Quote) Kay-751557 said: Thanks, Patricia, I plan to pray the rosary tomorrow at 7pm for the success of the Romne...
(Quote) Kay-751557 said:

Thanks, Patricia,


I plan to pray the rosary tomorrow at 7pm for the success of the Romney/Ryan ticket in November. What a great idea to organize Catholic Match members to pray that God will grant wisdom to voters in America in choosing a new President. I'm looking forward to the Ryan-Biden debate too.


May God forgive our country for allowing the murder of millions of babies, for not protecting the dignity of marriage, and for selfishly centering on material goods rather than love of God and others. May God also heal our hearts and focus our minds on doing His will.


In seeking God's help in November we probably need to repent, fast and pray.


God Bless You,


Kay

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Hi Kay, and welcome to the forums! So glad that you'll be joining our virtual prayer group Thurs. night. at 7PM and hope you'll join us every Thurs. night until the election! (The normal time is 9PM CST) If you would like more info, please check out the Thursday Night Prayers for Romney/Ryan thread in the Prayer Forum.

EVERYONE IS WELCOME TO JOIN US IN PRAYING TOMORROW NIGHT BEFORE THE VP DEBATES. Let's ask God to send the Holy Spirit to Paul Ryan when we pray!

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10/12/2012 new

(Quote) Denise-687929 said: I came across this article from Bishop Thomas John Paprocki that he recommends everyone read bef...
(Quote) Denise-687929 said:

I came across this article from Bishop Thomas John Paprocki that he recommends everyone read before voting. I know this article is long, but it is worth reading.

Think and pray about your vote in the upcoming election
by Bishop Thomas John Paprocki

My dear brothers and sisters in Christ:

Much attention was given at the Democratic National Convention held recently in Charlotte, N.C., to the fact that all references to God had been purged from the draft version of the party platform. After outcries of protest from outside as well as within the Democratic Party, the sentence with the same reference to God used in 2008 was restored to read, "We need a government that stands up for the hopes, values and interests of working people, and gives everyone willing to work hard the chance to make the most of their God-given potential."

Before anyone relaxes and concludes that all is well now that the Democratic Party Platform contains a single passing reference to God, the way that this was done should give us pause. Convention chairman Antonio Villaraigosa had to call for the voice vote three times because each time the sound level for the "ayes" and the "nays" sounded about even, far short of the two-thirds necessary according to convention rules to amend the platform. That did not stop the convention chairman from declaring, "The ayes have it!"

What is troubling about that is the blatant disregard for the rules and for the apparent wishes of about half the delegates. The reference to God is back in the platform apparently because President Obama wanted it back in. That may be fine for now, but if a future president wants references to God taken out, apparently that can be done regardless of the wishes of the delegates if that is what The Leader wants. That does not bode well for democracy in the Democratic Party.

Even more troubling is that this whole discussion about God in the platform is a distraction from more disturbing matters that have been included in the platform. In 1992 Presidential candidate Bill Clinton famously said that abortion should be "safe, legal and rare." That was the party's official position until 2008. Apparently "rare" is so last century that it had to be dropped, because now the Democratic Party Platform says that abortion should be "safe and legal." Moreover the Democratic Party Platform supports the right to abortion "regardless of the ability to pay." Well, there are only three ways for that to happen: either taxpayers will be required to fund abortion, or insurance companies will be required to pay for them (as they are now required to pay for contraception), or hospitals will be forced to perform them for free.

Moreover, the Democratic Party Platform also supports same-sex marriage, recognizes that "gay rights are human rights," and calls for the repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act, the federal law signed by President Clinton in 1996 that defined marriage as the legal union of one man and one woman.

Now, why am I mentioning these matters in the Democratic Party Platform? There are many positive and beneficial planks in the Democratic Party Platform, but I am pointing out those that explicitly endorse intrinsic evils. My job is not to tell you for whom you should vote. But I do have a duty to speak out on moral issues. I would be abdicating this duty if I remained silent out of fear of sounding "political" and didn't say anything about the morality of these issues. People of faith object to these platform positions that promote serious sins. I know that the Democratic Party's official "unequivocal" support for abortion is deeply troubling to pro-life Democrats.

So what about the Republicans? I have read the Republican Party Platform and there is nothing in it that supports or promotes an intrinsic evil or a serious sin. The Republican Party Platform does say that courts "should have the option of imposing the death penalty in capital murder cases." But the Catechism of the Catholic Church says (in paragraph 2267), "Assuming that the guilty party's identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor. If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people's safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity to the dignity of the human person. Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm — without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself — the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity are very rare, if not practically nonexistent."

One might argue for different methods in the platform to address the needs of the poor, to feed the hungry and to solve the challenges of immigration, but these are prudential judgments about the most effective means of achieving morally desirable ends, not intrinsic evils.

Certainly there are "pro-choice" Republicans who support abortion rights and "Log Cabin Republicans" who promote same-sex marriage, and they are equally as wrong as their Democratic counterparts. But these positions do not have the official support of their party.

Again, I am not telling you which party or which candidates to vote for or against, but I am saying that you need to think and pray very carefully about your vote, because a vote for a candidate who promotes actions or behaviors that are intrinsically evil and gravely sinful makes you morally complicit and places the eternal salvation of your own soul in serious jeopardy.

I pray that God will give you the wisdom and guidance to make the morally right choices.

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Excellent article by a very intelligent bishop! Thank you for posting it, Denise.

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10/12/2012 new

Just so everyone knows it is really hard for a black person to step up and support Romney Stacey Dash did it and was attacked with a lot of horrible racist comments via tweets. There is a lot of news about it right now so you can search it up and read about it. Be careful because some of the comments are horrible.....leftist liberals at their typical worse.


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10/13/2012 new

USCCB Responds To Inaccurate Statement Of Fact On HHS Mandate Made During Vice Presidential Debate

Open link below and read article.

www.usccb.org

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10/13/2012 new

(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: Just so everyone knows it is really hard for a black person to step up and support Romney Stacey...
(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said:

Just so everyone knows it is really hard for a black person to step up and support Romney Stacey Dash did it and was attacked with a lot of horrible racist comments via tweets. There is a lot of news about it right now so you can search it up and read about it. Be careful because some of the comments are horrible.....leftist liberals at their typical worse.


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This is precisely why it is so necessary to have a secret ballot. I suspect many people of African descent will vote for Romney this time, but they will not discuss it publicly for fear of being ostrcized by their peers.

I lived in Indonesia for 2 years. They had elections, but your boss had access to how you voted. Therefore anyone who worked for the government, a major corporation that had connections with the government, or even valued his life had to consider that if he or she did not vote for Suharto's Party, there would be no more promotions, they might lose their jobs, and family members might even disappear.

In the US, nobody needs to tell you who they voted for or why. If you choose to reveal it, that is your decision, but it is law and a long standing tradition here that you don't have to. We have other problems with recriminations here, too, for example if you were a university professor and revealed you voted for Romney you would likely never get tenure. Universities in general are rapidly leftist. Better to not even ask educators or Blacks what they are going to do. Just hope and pray that in the privacy of the ballot box, they will do the Right thing.

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