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Oct 19th 2012 new

(Quote) Charles-211696 said: Ahhhh, gotcha. Mea culpa. I just got it yesterday, will be watching soon.
(Quote) Charles-211696 said:

Ahhhh, gotcha. Mea culpa.

I just got it yesterday, will be watching soon.

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*sigh*

There are many aspects on which I could comment, but I will only comment on the four I feel most salient:


1) I think there is little comparison between D'Souza and Obama. D'Souza grew up in India, leaving when he was 18. Obama was born in the U.S. (something which even D'Souza admits), then moved abroad, then came back. On the aspect that they both grew up under post-colonial governments, I see only a modest overlap. Regarding the particulars about Obama's upbringing (absentee biological father, being raised by a single mom, then in a household with a step-father), D'Souza offers no parallel of his own. In the end, aside from the fact that they both have the same skin complexion, I really see little similarity between the two men.

2) I think the film is more enlightening about D'Souza's background, which became fully evident toward the end when he talked about a "United States of Islam." D'Souza was born and raised in Mumbai, a heavily Muslim area of India. D'Souza is a Christian apologist (en.wikipedia.org. Ultimately, I think D'Souza was wanting to make an anti-Muslim film, but much more on the sly than other recent *cough* films. I don't think this movie was so much about Obama, so much that it was about D'Souza's fears of a Muslim-controlled world.


3) I was disappointed in the source material, namely citing the two books D'Souza wrote. At the end D'Souza references the website for the movie, as well as his personal website. I guess I'll go to the library and look at the lists of works cited, but, frankly, I would find his arguments more credible had he cited more (and credible) sources. Perhaps this was a shorthand on his part, that he already had the references compiled, but other films (e.g., Zeitgeist) openly published their reference list. Coming from academia, I am holding D'Souza to a higher standard here. Then again, as Gramsci points out, the academics are often the first ones rounded up and put on the trucks.


4) Finally, as a political documentary piece, D'Souza uses the same underhanded tactics (the phone conversation reenactments, the questionable voice-overs, the "gotcha" interview moments, interviews with "select" people) that Michael Moore employs. I would have found D'Souza's general argument much more credible had he not done those sorts of things.


In the end, I see this film, in part, as trite propaganda. More so, I see it as a sad exercise in intellectual masturbation by some guy looking to make a buck while the going is good. I'm glad I only gave this guy whatever portion of my monthly Netflix fee went to the secondary release finances, etc.



Oct 19th 2012 new

(Quote) Charles-211696 said: *sigh* There are many aspects on which I could comment, but I will only com...
(Quote) Charles-211696 said:


*sigh*

There are many aspects on which I could comment, but I will only comment on the four I feel most salient:


1) I think there is little comparison between D'Souza and Obama. D'Souza grew up in India, leaving when he was 18. Obama was born in the U.S. (something which even D'Souza admits), then moved abroad, then came back. On the aspect that they both grew up under post-colonial governments, I see only a modest overlap. Regarding the particulars about Obama's upbringing (absentee biological father, being raised by a single mom, then in a household with a step-father), D'Souza offers no parallel of his own. In the end, aside from the fact that they both have the same skin complexion, I really see little similarity between the two men.

2) I think the film is more enlightening about D'Souza's background, which became fully evident toward the end when he talked about a "United States of Islam." D'Souza was born and raised in Mumbai, a heavily Muslim area of India. D'Souza is a Christian apologist (en.wikipedia.org. Ultimately, I think D'Souza was wanting to make an anti-Muslim film, but much more on the sly than other recent *cough* films. I don't think this movie was so much about Obama, so much that it was about D'Souza's fears of a Muslim-controlled world.


3) I was disappointed in the source material, namely citing the two books D'Souza wrote. At the end D'Souza references the website for the movie, as well as his personal website. I guess I'll go to the library and look at the lists of works cited, but, frankly, I would find his arguments more credible had he cited more (and credible) sources. Perhaps this was a shorthand on his part, that he already had the references compiled, but other films (e.g., Zeitgeist) openly published their reference list. Coming from academia, I am holding D'Souza to a higher standard here. Then again, as Gramsci points out, the academics are often the first ones rounded up and put on the trucks.


4) Finally, as a political documentary piece, D'Souza uses the same underhanded tactics (the phone conversation reenactments, the questionable voice-overs, the "gotcha" interview moments, interviews with "select" people) that Michael Moore employs. I would have found D'Souza's general argument much more credible had he not done those sorts of things.


In the end, I see this film, in part, as trite propaganda. More so, I see it as a sad exercise in intellectual masturbation by some guy looking to make a buck while the going is good. I'm glad I only gave this guy whatever portion of my monthly Netflix fee went to the secondary release finances, etc.



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HUH? You want to find what you want to find....DSouza never said their lives were exact....only that they have similarities. For sure, he explained Obama's reason for being anti-colonial....primarily his dad and lack of dad. For sure, he wants to make a buck....he is a capitalist after all and human, but he also wants to educate people and expose Obama. Not sure what you mean by "voice-vers" but he had quite extensive interviews including with the brother either way.

Oct 19th 2012 new
are you having trouble locating it in the stores??
Oct 20th 2012 new
(Quote) Charles-211696 said: *sigh* There are many aspects on which I could comment, but I will only co...
(Quote) Charles-211696 said:




*sigh*



There are many aspects on which I could comment, but I will only comment on the four I feel most salient:




1) I think there is little comparison between D'Souza and Obama. D'Souza grew up in India, leaving when he was 18. Obama was born in the U.S. (something which even D'Souza admits), then moved abroad, then came back. On the aspect that they both grew up under post-colonial governments, I see only a modest overlap. Regarding the particulars about Obama's upbringing (absentee biological father, being raised by a single mom, then in a household with a step-father), D'Souza offers no parallel of his own. In the end, aside from the fact that they both have the same skin complexion, I really see little similarity between the two men.





2) I think the film is more enlightening about D'Souza's background, which became fully evident toward the end when he talked about a "United States of Islam." D'Souza was born and raised in Mumbai, a heavily Muslim area of India. D'Souza is a Christian apologist (en.wikipedia.org. Ultimately, I think D'Souza was wanting to make an anti-Muslim film, but much more on the sly than other recent *cough* films. I don't think this movie was so much about Obama, so much that it was about D'Souza's fears of a Muslim-controlled world.




3) I was disappointed in the source material, namely citing the two books D'Souza wrote. At the end D'Souza references the website for the movie, as well as his personal website. I guess I'll go to the library and look at the lists of works cited, but, frankly, I would find his arguments more credible had he cited more (and credible) sources. Perhaps this was a shorthand on his part, that he already had the references compiled, but other films (e.g., Zeitgeist) openly published their reference list. Coming from academia, I am holding D'Souza to a higher standard here. Then again, as Gramsci points out, the academics are often the first ones rounded up and put on the trucks.




4) Finally, as a political documentary piece, D'Souza uses the same underhanded tactics (the phone conversation reenactments, the questionable voice-overs, the "gotcha" interview moments, interviews with "select" people) that Michael Moore employs. I would have found D'Souza's general argument much more credible had he not done those sorts of things.




In the end, I see this film, in part, as trite propaganda. More so, I see it as a sad exercise in intellectual masturbation by some guy looking to make a buck while the going is good. I'm glad I only gave this guy whatever portion of my monthly Netflix fee went to the secondary release finances, etc.





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*sigh* Oh my, what do we have here? eyebrow

1. The little comparison between D'Souza and Obama wasn't meant to be an important feature of the documentary beyond being the backdrop for a different perspective. We call Obama a socialist. He calls Obama an anti-colonialist due to an exposure he has which Americans don't have. Thus the fact that he is from India is relevant. I do believe he is right on the money with the theory that Obama wants to redistribute America's resources, wealth, and power throughout the world. I think he hit the nail right on the head.

2. An anti-Muslim film? It raises concerns. Serious concerns. But not a hate film by any stretch of the imagination. It's a "pay attention America" film. Somebody had better pay attention to this grave threat. Obama sure isn't! Or is he and not doing anything about it deliberately??? Not that we need this or any other movie to point that one out. Do you know how many of us never heard of/seen a map of the "United States of Islam in the Middle East" before this film?

3. Going to the library to look at the list of works cited? Oh my, you are much more diligent than we were. I do need to watch it on DVD so I can pause/rewind. Being that I saw it in the theatre, I missed some material. D'Souza mainly used Obama's own words from "Dreams From My Father" as well as interviews, etc. Heck he traveled across the world to get the interviews! He used primary sources. Let us know what you find when you critique his resources, though.

4. I don't consider interviews with primary people in Obama's life "underhanded tactics". They are critical witnesses. Unless he left out parts of the interview which didn't suit his purposes or the credibility of the witnesses could be challenged , then you have something. But there is no evidence of this. Yeah, that re-enacted phone conversation was corny, but it was just that...a re-enactment. I agree with you there.

The concerns raised in the film parallel that which we see from Obama's behavior and ascertain from other a plethora of other sources. I see this film as a confirmation of what we already suspected...with certain details sharpened.

Appreciate your review, though. Let us know about your reference investigation.
Oct 20th 2012 new
(Quote) Mary-486033 said: *sigh* Oh my, what do we have here? 1. The little comparison between D'Souza and Obama wasn&#...
(Quote) Mary-486033 said: *sigh* Oh my, what do we have here?



1. The little comparison between D'Souza and Obama wasn't meant to be an important feature of the documentary beyond being the backdrop for a different perspective. We call Obama a socialist. He calls Obama an anti-colonialist due to an exposure he has which Americans don't have. Thus the fact that he is from India is relevant. I do believe he is right on the money with the theory that Obama wants to redistribute America's resources, wealth, and power throughout the world. I think he hit the nail right on the head.



2. An anti-Muslim film? It raises concerns. Serious concerns. But not a hate film by any stretch of the imagination. It's a "pay attention America" film. Somebody had better pay attention to this grave threat. Obama sure isn't! Or is he and not doing anything about it deliberately??? Not that we need this or any other movie to point that one out. Do you know how many of us never heard of/seen a map of the "United States of Islam in the Middle East" before this film?



3. Going to the library to look at the list of works cited? Oh my, you are much more diligent than we were. I do need to watch it on DVD so I can pause/rewind. Being that I saw it in the theatre, I missed some material. D'Souza mainly used Obama's own words from "Dreams From My Father" as well as interviews, etc. Heck he traveled across the world to get the interviews! He used primary sources. Let us know what you find when you critique his resources, though.



4. I don't consider interviews with primary people in Obama's life "underhanded tactics". They are critical witnesses. Unless he left out parts of the interview which didn't suit his purposes or the credibility of the witnesses could be challenged , then you have something. But there is no evidence of this. Yeah, that re-enacted phone conversation was corny, but it was just that...a re-enactment. I agree with you there.



The concerns raised in the film parallel that which we see from Obama's behavior and ascertain from other a plethora of other sources. I see this film as a confirmation of what we already suspected...with certain details sharpened.



Appreciate your review, though. Let us know about your reference investigation.
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where do I find it to purchase?...
Oct 20th 2012 new
(Quote) Brenda-74660 said: (Quote) Mary-486033 said: *sigh* Oh my, what do we have here? 1. The little compar...
(Quote) Brenda-74660 said:
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Mary-486033 said: *sigh* Oh my, what do we have here?





1. The little comparison between D'Souza and Obama wasn't meant to be an important feature of the documentary beyond being the backdrop for a different perspective. We call Obama a socialist. He calls Obama an anti-colonialist due to an exposure he has which Americans don't have. Thus the fact that he is from India is relevant. I do believe he is right on the money with the theory that Obama wants to redistribute America's resources, wealth, and power throughout the world. I think he hit the nail right on the head.





2. An anti-Muslim film? It raises concerns. Serious concerns. But not a hate film by any stretch of the imagination. It's a "pay attention America" film. Somebody had better pay attention to this grave threat. Obama sure isn't! Or is he and not doing anything about it deliberately??? Not that we need this or any other movie to point that one out. Do you know how many of us never heard of/seen a map of the "United States of Islam in the Middle East" before this film?





3. Going to the library to look at the list of works cited? Oh my, you are much more diligent than we were. I do need to watch it on DVD so I can pause/rewind. Being that I saw it in the theatre, I missed some material. D'Souza mainly used Obama's own words from "Dreams From My Father" as well as interviews, etc. Heck he traveled across the world to get the interviews! He used primary sources. Let us know what you find when you critique his resources, though.





4. I don't consider interviews with primary people in Obama's life "underhanded tactics". They are critical witnesses. Unless he left out parts of the interview which didn't suit his purposes or the credibility of the witnesses could be challenged , then you have something. But there is no evidence of this. Yeah, that re-enacted phone conversation was corny, but it was just that...a re-enactment. I agree with you there.





The concerns raised in the film parallel that which we see from Obama's behavior and ascertain from other a plethora of other sources. I see this film as a confirmation of what we already suspected...with certain details sharpened.





Appreciate your review, though. Let us know about your reference investigation.

where do I find it to purchase?...
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wave Brenda! I haven't check to see if Walmart, Target, etc. sell it. However,

**I know you can get it at Amazon - Amazon is selling it for $9.99 (and eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25) www.amazon.com

**DVDs can be purchased on the official site. 2016themovie.com

**Newsmax is offering the DVD for $4.95 with a special offer. www.newsmaxstore.com
Oct 20th 2012 new
(Quote) Mary-486033 said: Brenda! I haven't check to see if Walmart, Target, etc. sell it. However, **I know you can...
(Quote) Mary-486033 said: Brenda! I haven't check to see if Walmart, Target, etc. sell it. However,



**I know you can get it at Amazon - Amazon is selling it for $9.99 (and eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25) www.amazon.com



**DVDs can be purchased on the official site. 2016themovie.com



**Newsmax is offering the DVD for $4.95 with a special offer. www.newsmaxstore.com
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Thank you for the information --- Wal Mart here did not carry the movie.....
Oct 20th 2012 new

(Quote) Brenda-74660 said: where do I find it to purchase?...
(Quote) Brenda-74660 said: where do I find it to purchase?...
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Hi Brenda


Look through this thread, people have listed a few places where you can find it to buy. Or, do a quick web search. I'm sure if more places are selling it now, those will show up with your search.


Blessings!

Oct 20th 2012 new
(Quote) Wendy-387654 said: Hi Brenda Look through this thread, people have listed a few places wher...
(Quote) Wendy-387654 said:




Hi Brenda




Look through this thread, people have listed a few places where you can find it to buy. Or, do a quick web search. I'm sure if more places are selling it now, those will show up with your search.




Blessings!

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Brenda, if you search and find retails stores that sell the video, please post the information. hug
Oct 20th 2012 new
(Quote) Mary-486033 said: Brenda, if you search and find retails stores that sell the video, please post the information.
(Quote) Mary-486033 said: Brenda, if you search and find retails stores that sell the video, please post the information.
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I will post if I find any that do offer the movie in my area. I was tired last night or I would have tried the Christian bookstore in the Mall in my area last night.
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