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(Quote) Wendy-387654 said: No, I don't. And neither do many others across the U.S. http://www....
(Quote) Wendy-387654 said:

No, I don't. And neither do many others across the U.S.






www.becketfund.org

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Did I just see a link?

Yaay! You did it! You get a Gold Star! clap Bow

Wow, that was a dynamite first link! Thank you!

I suggest that Catholic "subscribe" to that site!
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(Quote) Ray-566531 said: (Quote) Mary-486033 said: OBAMACARE FINES START FOR HOSPITALS THAT RE-ADMIT SICK PATIENTS...
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Mary-486033 said: OBAMACARE FINES START FOR HOSPITALS THAT RE-ADMIT SICK PATIENTS

"Hospitals that re-admit patients within 30 days after they were discharged will now have to, under an Obamacare provision, pay fines as of October 1, 2012, which could force hospitals to slash programs that help the elderly, the poor, and the chronically ill.

...This is yet another reason why a plurality of Americans want Obamacare to be repealed before it is too late, as more of such provisions will gradually be implemented."

www.breitbart.com

Partially true, Mary. However, there is a threshold and an "allowance" for a certain percentage of readmissions. In many cases, it simply can't be helped and isn't necessarily a problem caused by inadequate or negligent medical care. Once a hospital has exceeded the established threshold (as determined by Medicare) fines can be assessed. As far as I know, this applies to Medicare/Medicaid patients only.

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Here's what Doctors posted their on their Docs4PatientCare website: docs4patientcare.org

Obamacare Fines For Hospitals Begin Today, Examiner.com

Monday, October 01, 2012

"One of the key provisions of the ObamaCarelaw that could result in drastic cuts to hospitals for treating the elderly and the poor will kick in today. In an attempt to rein in the costs of medical care which many critics say will hurt the elderly and the poor the most, the ObamaCare law will now mandate as of Oct. 1, 2012 that patients who need to return to the hospital for follow-up admissions within 30 days of discharge may not get the level of care they have come to expect.

The new provision will place fines on hospitals for treating returning patients who are readmitted within 30 days after discharge. Critics say that this will lead to serious declines in both the level and quality of care rendered to patients."

Read More: www.examiner.com
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Ohhhhh.....how clever. I wonder if they are going to survive on the fines collected from Catholic agencies. That's very popular in history. It's been done in almost every fascist and socialist regime. Make laws people can't follow, then fine them for it. And it always is at the very beginning of a movement or social program also. That's why Pope Benedict compared it to Naziism. He's dealt more with Socialism than any one alive right now. He was around the nazi's, the soviets, the Vietnamese, the Chinese. People don't just wake up one day and decide to discriminate. It takes a long time. Hitler started in the 20's. Russian began before WWI. We may be okay now....but who knows what America will be like in 20 years. I know when my parents were younger they never dreamed we would have a healthcare bill like this. They always said that EVERYONE and both political parties said that it would be to close to socialism. When they were young the idea of "collectivism and redistribution" was "off-limits" in our policies. Now our President frequently uses those terms and discriptions. Actually, I read his book. I noticed that he has definitely been influenced by his Kenya background. I can't remember the name of the movement. But it basically blames everything in the world on capitalism. It's a belief that has been fostered by Russia for years. I believe that is why Iran is so messed up. Russia is sitting on their shoulder whispering into the ears of their citizens and students.

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Not me. NOBAMA.

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You know I've never claimed a particular political party (have in fact voted Republican; Democratic on local, regional and state levels...because I've never punched a ticket one time) But when it came to the Presidency....it just so happens....the guy I liked the best has always been the same party!

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(Quote) Jerry-730726 said: You know I've never claimed a particular political party (have in fact voted Republican; Demo...
(Quote) Jerry-730726 said:

You know I've never claimed a particular political party (have in fact voted Republican; Democratic on local, regional and state levels...because I've never punched a ticket one time) But when it came to the Presidency....it just so happens....the guy I liked the best has always been the same party!

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I'm like you Jerry, an independent who has voted of people in both parties.

Except for my vote for President in tne first election I was able to vote in; when I really believed Kennedy was the guy, my vote at that level has always been for what to me was the lesser of 2 evils. LIke you, if has always been a man from the same party. That includes casting a vote for Nixon, because his opponent, although a very nice man, Humphrey, was too much of a socialist. Talk about having to hold your nose to cast a ballot.

At this end of my life, I am tired of doing that and find that I still have to hold my nose when voting for a a Presidential candidate. But here we are again having to do the same thing again because Obama makes HHH look like a right wing nut.

SIGH!

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(Quote) Paul-866591 said: I'm like you Jerry, an independent who has voted of people in both parties. Ex...
(Quote) Paul-866591 said:

I'm like you Jerry, an independent who has voted of people in both parties.

Except for my vote for President in tne first election I was able to vote in; when I really believed Kennedy was the guy, my vote at that level has always been for what to me was the lesser of 2 evils. LIke you, if has always been a man from the same party. That includes casting a vote for Nixon, because his opponent, although a very nice man, Humphrey, was too much of a socialist. Talk about having to hold your nose to cast a ballot.

At this end of my life, I am tired of doing that and find that I still have to hold my nose when voting for a a Presidential candidate. But here we are again having to do the same thing again because Obama makes HHH look like a right wing nut.

SIGH!

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LOL!! Well Paul...my folks liked both men in the 1960 election and took Kennedy also. Then when Nixon ran...they and I (first one I was eligible for voted for him! Go figure!

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Thank you for posting this. It is interesting and valuable information!

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Look, I won't lie. I have been leaning towards Obama until very recently. But, he is the scarey thing. Many people think of Medicare as being for older people. Let's not forget that some members of our society, such as myself, have life threatening chronic conditions that caused us to be eligible for medicare at the rip old age of 41. Actually, I do have to wait until April 2013 to be eligible, but it is set and coming. I WAS thankful, til now!

I recently had the experience of my ex husband not paying for my COBRA policy on time as order, so I was, through no fault of my own, dropped, leaving me with no insurance. He was ordered to pay for COBRA until I become eligible for medicare. So, I got stuck with no medical insurance. I applied for an individual policy, and would have been fine paying the 180-200/month for that, but I was declined due to health risks because of a disease I had nothing to do with causing - it just happened.


I was forced to take a look at the national new Obama heath insurance for high risk patients. I was shocked to find that, when you get on it, it DOES NOT COVER pre-exisitng conditions for the first six months. Meaning - if you need medicine for that condition and it costs 4K/month (which mine does), forget it. They won't pay. For some of us, if we go without certain medications, there is a rather unsettlingly high risk of death. So, how is that policy any better for those of us who have illnesses?


What they're not telling anyone is that if you are the unlucky one out of many who happens to get that rare disease, or cancer, or whatever, and you do not have insurance, your ONLY safe bet is to hope that your state, as mine did, has its own high risk policy, and that you can apply and get approved for it. After that, you will neeed to pray that you have the money to pay the premium. My premium is 666$/month, and this poilicy only covers 50% for the first six months. Better than nothing, but that leaves me with a copay of 2,000$ for one month of ONE of my medications - not counting half of 8 specialists, and 9 other medications.


I'm having to draw from retirement to pay for this. Many people with such diseases did not have the opportunity to build any retirement or savings if they were too sick to work, so your average guy can't fork out this kind of money.


I have a strong faith, but I am also the single parent to two wonderful kids since my ex-husband decided to walk out after I got diagnosed. But, I spent all last month before I got approved for the high risk policy worried sick (no pun intended) about how I was going to pay for the treatment that keeps me alive for my kids. The stress from that kind of worry makes many illnesses worsen.
My bet is that neither President Obama or Mitt Romney has ever spent any time thinking that Christmas is coming up....will I BE here for my kids this Christmas? Or will I make it til Christmas.


Oh, and the notorious "death panels" that people talk about? We already have those. They're called "insurance companies". Most folks don't realize that those insurance compnaies DECIDE what treatment you will or won't get and when. Last year, while I was on my ex-husband's "good" insurance, they waited 7 weeks to approve payment for my regular monthly medication that costs 4K/month. 7 weeks = 2 doses per week. After 3-4 weeks without it, it starts to be dangerous. Then you have a good chance of winding up in the hospital, which I did. It was crazy, but they were more willing to fork out 60K for the hospital stay than they were to pay around 6K for the meds that would have prevented it. It's completely an illogical, mixed up, expensive system, and neither candidate seems qualified to fix it. I do not see a glimmer of Christ in the insurance companies or in the politicians so called solutions.


Sorry for the rant, but for obvious reasons, this topic is huge to me and affects many people I know well.

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P.S. I meant "here", not "he". :)

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