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Oct 18th 2012 new
(Quote) Celia-821539 said: Look, I won't lie. I have been leaning towards Obama until very recently. But, he is the scarey thing. So...
(Quote) Celia-821539 said:

Look, I won't lie. I have been leaning towards Obama until very recently. But, he is the scarey thing. Sorry for the rant, but for obvious reasons, this topic is huge to me and affects many people I know well.

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Celia,

I'm with you on that one. This topic is huge to me and affects many people I know and care about. My opposition to socialized medicine is what originally brought me over to post in the "war room".

Despite my now well-informed opposition of Obama, I was initially captivated...mesmerized by him. I'll never forget the first time I heard him speak. It was a long hard day. I crossed the street from the hospital to get a slice of pizza before heading home. There's a TV by the counter. I breezed in paying no heed to anything. But something on the TV caught my attention. It was Obama. I was mesmerized! Captivated! Thrilled! Don't even recall the topic, but I ate standing by the television so as not to miss a word he said.

I'm thinking..."OMG, This man should be President of the United States!" gangster Me

Couldn't wait to tell family about this guy. Told them I found the man that should be the POTUS. Bought his book, "The Audacity of Hope". That's when it all started to fall apart. The Obama spell was broken rather quickly. I understood while reading that book...something is really, really wrong with this picture. That's an understatement of a lifetime.
Oct 19th 2012 new

That's how I felt about him as well, inititally. Then I started shifting some to the idea that he may be the lesser of two evils, and as we get closer to the election, I find myself thinking Romney may be the Lesser of two evils. Obama does have this mesmerizing quality which is very appealing at first, bu then it just seems a bit, maybe, "too good", or "false prophet" kind of thing.

Oct 19th 2012 new

(Quote) Celia-821539 said: Look, I won't lie. I have been leaning towards Obama until very recently. But, he is the scar...
(Quote) Celia-821539 said:

Look, I won't lie. I have been leaning towards Obama until very recently. But, he is the scarey thing. Many people think of Medicare as being for older people. Let's not forget that some members of our society, such as myself, have life threatening chronic conditions that caused us to be eligible for medicare at the rip old age of 41. Actually, I do have to wait until April 2013 to be eligible, but it is set and coming. I WAS thankful, til now!

I recently had the experience of my ex husband not paying for my COBRA policy on time as order, so I was, through no fault of my own, dropped, leaving me with no insurance. He was ordered to pay for COBRA until I become eligible for medicare. So, I got stuck with no medical insurance. I applied for an individual policy, and would have been fine paying the 180-200/month for that, but I was declined due to health risks because of a disease I had nothing to do with causing - it just happened.


I was forced to take a look at the national new Obama heath insurance for high risk patients. I was shocked to find that, when you get on it, it DOES NOT COVER pre-exisitng conditions for the first six months. Meaning - if you need medicine for that condition and it costs 4K/month (which mine does), forget it. They won't pay. For some of us, if we go without certain medications, there is a rather unsettlingly high risk of death. So, how is that policy any better for those of us who have illnesses?


What they're not telling anyone is that if you are the unlucky one out of many who happens to get that rare disease, or cancer, or whatever, and you do not have insurance, your ONLY safe bet is to hope that your state, as mine did, has its own high risk policy, and that you can apply and get approved for it. After that, you will neeed to pray that you have the money to pay the premium. My premium is 666$/month, and this poilicy only covers 50% for the first six months. Better than nothing, but that leaves me with a copay of 2,000$ for one month of ONE of my medications - not counting half of 8 specialists, and 9 other medications.


I'm having to draw from retirement to pay for this. Many people with such diseases did not have the opportunity to build any retirement or savings if they were too sick to work, so your average guy can't fork out this kind of money.


I have a strong faith, but I am also the single parent to two wonderful kids since my ex-husband decided to walk out after I got diagnosed. But, I spent all last month before I got approved for the high risk policy worried sick (no pun intended) about how I was going to pay for the treatment that keeps me alive for my kids. The stress from that kind of worry makes many illnesses worsen.
My bet is that neither President Obama or Mitt Romney has ever spent any time thinking that Christmas is coming up....will I BE here for my kids this Christmas? Or will I make it til Christmas.


Oh, and the notorious "death panels" that people talk about? We already have those. They're called "insurance companies". Most folks don't realize that those insurance compnaies DECIDE what treatment you will or won't get and when. Last year, while I was on my ex-husband's "good" insurance, they waited 7 weeks to approve payment for my regular monthly medication that costs 4K/month. 7 weeks = 2 doses per week. After 3-4 weeks without it, it starts to be dangerous. Then you have a good chance of winding up in the hospital, which I did. It was crazy, but they were more willing to fork out 60K for the hospital stay than they were to pay around 6K for the meds that would have prevented it. It's completely an illogical, mixed up, expensive system, and neither candidate seems qualified to fix it. I do not see a glimmer of Christ in the insurance companies or in the politicians so called solutions.


Sorry for the rant, but for obvious reasons, this topic is huge to me and affects many people I know well.

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You're not the only one who will be ranting. People will be up in arms over the new law -- even those that aren't disastrously affected the way you are.

Such a major change (revolutionary, in fact) certainly merited more thought and preparation. There are some worthwhile portions of the law that are beneficial; others questionable; some outright objectionable. Time will tell if the law, as it is now written, will stand, or if it will be scrapped, or at least tweaked. It needs a lot of tweaking.

Oct 19th 2012 new
(Quote) Celia-821539 said: Obama does have this mesmerizing quality which is very appealing at first, bu then it just seems a bit, maybe, &q...
(Quote) Celia-821539 said: Obama does have this mesmerizing quality which is very appealing at first, bu then it just seems a bit, maybe, "too good", or "false prophet" kind of thing.

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Bingo! He's a charmer. A false prophet. What he's doing to America is scary.

I would have been thrilled if he ended up being "the best ever" POTUS. Turns out, he's the most chilling. We must defeat him.

You have to see "2016 Obama's America"! It's out on DVD now.
Oct 19th 2012 new
(Quote) Celia-821539 said: My bet is that neither President Obama or Mitt Romney has ever spent any time thinking that Christmas is comin...
(Quote) Celia-821539 said:

My bet is that neither President Obama or Mitt Romney has ever spent any time thinking that Christmas is coming up....will I BE here for my kids this Christmas? Or will I make it til Christmas.

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Celia,

Mitt Romney does understand what it's like to have life-threatening illnesses...through his wife. His wife fought breast cancer, multiple sclerosis, and depression. Romney stood by her side. Didn't see that man running for the hills...as so many men do. www.foxnews.com
Oct 19th 2012 new

(Quote) Mary-486033 said: OBAMACARE FINES START FOR HOSPITALS THAT RE-ADMIT SICK PATIENTS "Ho...
(Quote) Mary-486033 said: OBAMACARE FINES START FOR HOSPITALS THAT RE-ADMIT SICK PATIENTS

"Hospitals that re-admit patients within 30 days after they were discharged will now have to, under an Obamacare provision, pay fines as of October 1, 2012, which could force hospitals to slash programs that help the elderly, the poor, and the chronically ill.

...This is yet another reason why a plurality of Americans want Obamacare to be repealed before it is too late, as more of such provisions will gradually be implemented."

www.breitbart.com

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This doesn't even make sense. There is no guarantee of wellness just because you check out of a hospital. This rule, law, provision..whatever, shows a real lack of compassion for the sick and suffering.

Oct 19th 2012 new

Concerning the hospital fines, this is something FoxNews reported on almost 2 months ago:


www.foxnews.com



Oct 19th 2012 new

(Quote) Charles-211696 said: Concerning the hospital fines, this is something FoxNews reported on almost 2 months ago:ht...
(Quote) Charles-211696 said:

Concerning the hospital fines, this is something FoxNews reported on almost 2 months ago:
www.foxnews.com

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Its bad enough under Medicare. Mediocare rules are so complex that all but the smallest hospitals budget a minimum of
$1 million/yr to pay the fines they incur for the inevitable misses.

Undert total Government health care that will only get worse. Inevitably leading to fewer hospitals and fewer Doctors. Which means longer lines and worse health care for all.

Oct 19th 2012 new
(Quote) Mary-486033 said: (Quote) Celia-821539 said: My bet is that neither President Obama or Mitt Romney has ever spent any time ...
(Quote) Mary-486033 said:
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Celia-821539 said:

My bet is that neither President Obama or Mitt Romney has ever spent any time thinking that Christmas is coming up....will I BE here for my kids this Christmas? Or will I make it til Christmas.


Celia,



Mitt Romney does understand what it's like to have life-threatening illnesses...through his wife. His wife fought breast cancer, multiple sclerosis, and depression. Romney stood by her side. Didn't see that man running for the hills...as so many men do. www.foxnews.com
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Here's two stories about Mitt Romney's personal compassion for the sick.

One takes place on Christmas. The other on Thanksgiving Day.


Thanksgiving Day - A friend's baby is critically ill in the hospital. Mitt personally goes grocery shopping and delivers a Thanksgiving meal for the family. It's not until years go by that the woman learns it was Mitt who, personally, cooked her family's Thanksgiving feast. And, yes, he folds their laundry, too. www.foxnews.com

Christmas - Mitt Romney pays for the college education of two boys who were left as quadriplegics after a car wreck: As you read this, imagine how you'd feel about Mitt Romney if you were Mark and Sheryl Nixon. Americans would be fortunate to have someone like Mitt Romney doing his best to try to help them.

Mark and Sheryl Nixon, along with their sons Reed and Rob and their daughter Natalie, told of a car accident that left Reed and Rob quadriplegics. Although the Nixon family knew of Romney and Romney had served as their Mormon stake president, they weren't well acquainted.

Reed and Rob returned home from rehab in the late fall, near Christmas, Mark said. Around that time, Romney called and said he'd like to do something for the two boys. So Romney, his wife Ann, and three of their sons brought Christmas gifts to the family.

While Romney later offered to pay for Reed and Rob's entire college education, that Christmas Eve visit stands out in Mark's mind, he said, because instead of vacationing in Utah, New England or the Caribbean, the Romney family was visiting the needy.

"That actually, to me, has been more important to me than the financial help he gave," Mark said.

"After the initial experience of showing up, he didn't check that off his list and say, 'I did my duty,'" Natalie added. "He has, year after year, shown up at 5K races to run the event and participate." townhall.com
Oct 19th 2012 new

I think you have a lot of your facts wrong, a lot of political B.S. has been spread like a death squad for seniors by Palin etc. etc.. But if you cut thru the gaff and get your facts right not what you are told by some self serving politician. It is not perfect but it is a start. We encourage people not to have abortions even tho they have no insurance. What would you have do as the Tea party says drop them off at the nearest Fire Station. Or senior citizens seeking health care would you tell them T.S. go home and die. We are the only industralized nation in the world without a national health plan. I can only guess that you job provides health insurance with the cost passed onto us cosumers to pay for it It;s like saying thanks suckers I got mine to heck with the rest of you.

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