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Oct 19th 2012 new

(Quote) Fred-907946 said: I think you have a lot of your facts wrong, a lot of political B.S. has been spread like a death s...
(Quote) Fred-907946 said:

I think you have a lot of your facts wrong, a lot of political B.S. has been spread like a death squad for seniors by Palin etc. etc.. But if you cut thru the gaff and get your facts right not what you are told by some self serving politician. It is not perfect but it is a start. We encourage people not to have abortions even tho they have no insurance. What would you have do as the Tea party says drop them off at the nearest Fire Station. Or senior citizens seeking health care would you tell them T.S. go home and die. We are the only industralized nation in the world without a national health plan. I can only guess that you job provides health insurance with the cost passed onto us cosumers to pay for it It;s like saying thanks suckers I got mine to heck with the rest of you.

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For someone claiming that others have a lot of their facts wrong you throw out a lot of facts that are just as wrong as you accuse others.

Medicare was a start, and as much good as it has done, look at the mess it is. And you want to start with a multi thousands of page document that no one in Congress read and no one in Congress really knows what is in it and think it will improve over time?

No Tea Party proponent has made the statements you attribute to them.

Marshall some facts then come back and try to convince us that the atrocity called Obamacare has any real value.

Oct 19th 2012 new

(Quote) Fred-907946 said: I think you have a lot of your facts wrong, a lot of political B.S. has been spread like a death s...
(Quote) Fred-907946 said:

I think you have a lot of your facts wrong, a lot of political B.S. has been spread like a death squad for seniors by Palin etc. etc.. But if you cut thru the gaff and get your facts right not what you are told by some self serving politician. It is not perfect but it is a start. We encourage people not to have abortions even tho they have no insurance. What would you have do as the Tea party says drop them off at the nearest Fire Station. Or senior citizens seeking health care would you tell them T.S. go home and die. We are the only industralized nation in the world without a national health plan. I can only guess that you job provides health insurance with the cost passed onto us cosumers to pay for it It;s like saying thanks suckers I got mine to heck with the rest of you.

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Palin??


A great voice to listen to is our Catholic Church. I'm curious as to why our church is SO up in arms over the HHS mandate....and I have a gut feeling it has NOTHING to do with the "political B.S. of Palin" or any other self serving politician.


There's LOTS of vital and truthful information in many of the threads here in the Current Events room, especially in the catholicvote one.

Oct 19th 2012 new
(Quote) Fred-907946 said: I think you have a lot of your facts wrong, a lot of political B.S. has been spread like a death squad for senio...
(Quote) Fred-907946 said:

I think you have a lot of your facts wrong, a lot of political B.S. has been spread like a death squad for seniors by Palin etc. etc.. But if you cut thru the gaff and get your facts right not what you are told by some self serving politician. It is not perfect but it is a start. We encourage people not to have abortions even tho they have no insurance. What would you have do as the Tea party says drop them off at the nearest Fire Station. Or senior citizens seeking health care would you tell them T.S. go home and die. We are the only industralized nation in the world without a national health plan. I can only guess that you job provides health insurance with the cost passed onto us cosumers to pay for it It;s like saying thanks suckers I got mine to heck with the rest of you.

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Assume whatever offensive and wrong things you want about good, well-informed, and educated people whom you don't know.

But if I were you, I'd learn A LOT about socialized medicine in the UK and Canada before I voted for Obama's trojan horse named "Obamacare" which will usher socialism into the USA. The elderly, sick, and disabled will have rationed care! And the socialized medicine travesties in the UK and Canada get very, very ugly! Especially for the elderly.
Oct 19th 2012 new
Does everyone know about this latest development with Obamacare? WOW!

Issa formally notifies Sebelius of intent to issue subpoena for ObamaCare documents

See video and read more: www.foxnews.com
Oct 19th 2012 new

(Quote) Fred-907946 said: I think you have a lot of your facts wrong, a lot of political B.S. has been spread like a death s...
(Quote) Fred-907946 said:

I think you have a lot of your facts wrong, a lot of political B.S. has been spread like a death squad for seniors by Palin etc. etc.. But if you cut thru the gaff and get your facts right not what you are told by some self serving politician. It is not perfect but it is a start. We encourage people not to have abortions even tho they have no insurance. What would you have do as the Tea party says drop them off at the nearest Fire Station. Or senior citizens seeking health care would you tell them T.S. go home and die. We are the only industralized nation in the world without a national health plan. I can only guess that you job provides health insurance with the cost passed onto us cosumers to pay for it It;s like saying thanks suckers I got mine to heck with the rest of you.

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Are you serious...I have NO healthcare insurance and I do NOT want obama"care"....if I have to go, I'll have to pay for it somehow myself. I do NOT want to be forced to pay for peoples' abortions and birthcontrol and that is my CHOICE! And if I ever get seriously ill, I will go on disability and have it then because it is there for people who really need it. All kids have it...it is called chips. I would love for the STATE to provide it for people like me who can't find full time and can barely find part-time work in their state and are just above poverty level (the poor already have health care it is called medicaid), but it should be at the state level not the federal level and it should not cover abortions and birth control!

Oct 19th 2012 new
(Quote) Mary-486033 said: Assume whatever offensive and wrong things you want about good, well-informed, and educated people whom you don'...
(Quote) Mary-486033 said: Assume whatever offensive and wrong things you want about good, well-informed, and educated people whom you don't know.



But if I were you, I'd learn A LOT about socialized medicine in the UK and Canada before I voted for Obama's trojan horse named "Obamacare" which will usher socialism into the USA. The elderly, sick, and disabled will have rationed care! And the socialized medicine travesties in the UK and Canada get very, very ugly! Especially for the elderly.
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If he hasn't learned in 79 years, he's not going to start now. Pity. faint
Oct 19th 2012 new
(Quote) Mary-486033 said: Does everyone know about this latest development with Obamacare? WOW! Issa formally notifies Sebelius o...
(Quote) Mary-486033 said: Does everyone know about this latest development with Obamacare? WOW!

Issa formally notifies Sebelius of intent to issue subpoena for ObamaCare documents

See video and read more: www.foxnews.com
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"....health department documents on a program he claims is being used to "buy" the election by hiding the effects of ObamaCare. " Wow!
Oct 19th 2012 new

(Quote) Celia-821539 said: Look, I won't lie. I have been leaning towards Obama until very recently. But, he is the scar...
(Quote) Celia-821539 said:

Look, I won't lie. I have been leaning towards Obama until very recently. But, he is the scarey thing. Many people think of Medicare as being for older people. Let's not forget that some members of our society, such as myself, have life threatening chronic conditions that caused us to be eligible for medicare at the rip old age of 41. Actually, I do have to wait until April 2013 to be eligible, but it is set and coming. I WAS thankful, til now!

I recently had the experience of my ex husband not paying for my COBRA policy on time as order, so I was, through no fault of my own, dropped, leaving me with no insurance. He was ordered to pay for COBRA until I become eligible for medicare. So, I got stuck with no medical insurance. I applied for an individual policy, and would have been fine paying the 180-200/month for that, but I was declined due to health risks because of a disease I had nothing to do with causing - it just happened.


I was forced to take a look at the national new Obama heath insurance for high risk patients. I was shocked to find that, when you get on it, it DOES NOT COVER pre-exisitng conditions for the first six months. Meaning - if you need medicine for that condition and it costs 4K/month (which mine does), forget it. They won't pay. For some of us, if we go without certain medications, there is a rather unsettlingly high risk of death. So, how is that policy any better for those of us who have illnesses?


What they're not telling anyone is that if you are the unlucky one out of many who happens to get that rare disease, or cancer, or whatever, and you do not have insurance, your ONLY safe bet is to hope that your state, as mine did, has its own high risk policy, and that you can apply and get approved for it. After that, you will neeed to pray that you have the money to pay the premium. My premium is 666$/month, and this poilicy only covers 50% for the first six months. Better than nothing, but that leaves me with a copay of 2,000$ for one month of ONE of my medications - not counting half of 8 specialists, and 9 other medications.


I'm having to draw from retirement to pay for this. Many people with such diseases did not have the opportunity to build any retirement or savings if they were too sick to work, so your average guy can't fork out this kind of money.


I have a strong faith, but I am also the single parent to two wonderful kids since my ex-husband decided to walk out after I got diagnosed. But, I spent all last month before I got approved for the high risk policy worried sick (no pun intended) about how I was going to pay for the treatment that keeps me alive for my kids. The stress from that kind of worry makes many illnesses worsen.
My bet is that neither President Obama or Mitt Romney has ever spent any time thinking that Christmas is coming up....will I BE here for my kids this Christmas? Or will I make it til Christmas.


Oh, and the notorious "death panels" that people talk about? We already have those. They're called "insurance companies". Most folks don't realize that those insurance compnaies DECIDE what treatment you will or won't get and when. Last year, while I was on my ex-husband's "good" insurance, they waited 7 weeks to approve payment for my regular monthly medication that costs 4K/month. 7 weeks = 2 doses per week. After 3-4 weeks without it, it starts to be dangerous. Then you have a good chance of winding up in the hospital, which I did. It was crazy, but they were more willing to fork out 60K for the hospital stay than they were to pay around 6K for the meds that would have prevented it. It's completely an illogical, mixed up, expensive system, and neither candidate seems qualified to fix it. I do not see a glimmer of Christ in the insurance companies or in the politicians so called solutions.


Sorry for the rant, but for obvious reasons, this topic is huge to me and affects many people I know well.

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The other option is to quit working part-time or getting unemployment and going on welfare and then medicaid kicks in....I guess. I don't have insurance now either cause I'm just above poverty level supposedly. Obamacare did nothing but pay for abortions and birthcontrol...that already kicked in. My son is covered by Chips though. At any rate, I'm praying to find a full-time job again soon....keep me in your prayers as I will you.

Oct 19th 2012 new

(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: (Quote) Fred-907946 said: I think you have a lot of your facts wrong, a l...
(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said:

Quote:
Fred-907946 said:

I think you have a lot of your facts wrong, a lot of political B.S. has been spread like a death squad for seniors by Palin etc. etc.. But if you cut thru the gaff and get your facts right not what you are told by some self serving politician. It is not perfect but it is a start. We encourage people not to have abortions even tho they have no insurance. What would you have do as the Tea party says drop them off at the nearest Fire Station. Or senior citizens seeking health care would you tell them T.S. go home and die. We are the only industralized nation in the world without a national health plan. I can only guess that you job provides health insurance with the cost passed onto us cosumers to pay for it It;s like saying thanks suckers I got mine to heck with the rest of you.


Are you serious...I have NO healthcare insurance and I do NOT want obama"care"....if I have to go, I'll have to pay for it somehow myself. I do NOT want to be forced to pay for peoples' abortions and birthcontrol and that is my CHOICE! And if I ever get seriously ill, I will go on disability and have it then because it is there for people who really need it. All kids have it...it is called chips. I would love for the STATE to provide it for people like me who can't find full time and can barely find part-time work in their state and are just above poverty level (the poor already have health care it is called medicaid), but it should be at the state level not the federal level and it should not cover abortions and birth control!

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I take it back...medicaer USED to be there...before Obama stole from it...and as someone said earlier it won't pay for preexisting conditions for like six months...by then without the proper medicine...someone could die!

Oct 19th 2012 new
(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: Are you serious...I have NO healthcare insurance and I do NOT want obama"care"....if I have to go, I...
(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said:

Are you serious...I have NO healthcare insurance and I do NOT want obama"care"....if I have to go, I'll have to pay for it somehow myself. I do NOT want to be forced to pay for peoples' abortions and birthcontrol and that is my CHOICE! And if I ever get seriously ill, I will go on disability and have it then because it is there for people who really need it. All kids have it...it is called chips. I would love for the STATE to provide it for people like me who can't find full time and can barely find part-time work in their state and are just above poverty level (the poor already have health care it is called medicaid), but it should be at the state level not the federal level and it should not cover abortions and birth control!

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And I pray God blesses you Cheryl with a job and health insurance. You just don't "talk the talk". You "walk the walk". And in my own life, without the details, through plenty of suffering, I have done the same.

We aren't the kind of women who can be bought by Obama. NOBAMA we don't want your contraceptive pills that cost $9 a month from Walmart or whatever. And you can't buy our votes by making us sell out our country to socialism. And, seriously, you can keep your Obamaphone. That won't get our vote, either. www.youtube.com
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