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Oct 19th 2012 new

Our current system is Neanderthal ... and twenty percent of out economy. We can do better. It is all about us!

Oct 19th 2012 new

(Quote) Victor-544727 said: The more we learn about this law that was conceived in a backroom deal among the Democrats, ramm...
(Quote) Victor-544727 said:

The more we learn about this law that was conceived in a backroom deal among the Democrats, rammed through Congress without as much as a debate, and signed into law despite the protests of the citizenry at-large, it is becoming more and more apparent why it all went down the way that it did.


At any rate, if Obama is re-elected and Harry Reid stays as Majority Leader in the Senate, this is just a sample of what we have to look forward to...



- The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally (p. 50, sec. 152).

- The government will have real-time access to an individual's bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts (pp. 58-59).


- The plan will be subsidized (by the government/us) for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now - ACORN). (p. 65, sec. 164).

- Doctors will all be paid the same regardless of specialty, and the government will set all doctors' fees (pp. 241, 253).

- Cancer hospital will ration care according to the patient's age. Those over 75 are not eligible for cancer treatment (pp. 272, sec. 1145).

- The government will impose a prohibition on hospital expansion; however, communities may petition for an exception (pp. 317, 321).

- The government mandates advance-care planning consultations. Those on Social Security will be required to attend an "end-of-life planning" (death counseling) seminar every five years (pp. 425; 4-12).

- The government will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order (pp. 429; 13-25).

This just covers the first 429 pages of the massive 2,900 pages of this new law. Of course, Congress, who created this law, have also managed to exempt themselves from the provisions contained in it, but that's nothing new!
So, the question is, what else are we about to learn over time concerning this law?

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I continue to be shocked that this law passed. Right after it passed my insurance went up $100.00 a month. Just this month it went up another $100.00. So what I have gotten out of Obamacare is a $2,400.00 yearly increase in insurance that has a $3500.00 deductible with a 80/20 plan. Just had emergency surgery to take my gall bladder out and my out of pocket was $6,000.00. I am not a happy camper.


- Elizabeth

Oct 19th 2012 new

(Quote) Elizabeth-462557 said: I continue to be shocked that this law passed. Right after it passed my insuranc...
(Quote) Elizabeth-462557 said:


I continue to be shocked that this law passed. Right after it passed my insurance went up $100.00 a month. Just this month it went up another $100.00. So what I have gotten out of Obamacare is a $2,400.00 yearly increase in insurance that has a $3500.00 deductible with a 80/20 plan. Just had emergency surgery to take my gall bladder out and my out of pocket was $6,000.00. I am not a happy camper.


- Elizabeth

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Hope you're healing well and feeling okay after the surgery (outside of being $6,000 poorerer)! Isn't it great that we can live without appendixes and gall bladders and even whole kidneys and spleens!

Oct 19th 2012 new
(Quote) Mary-486033 said: We aren't the kind of women who can be bought by Obama. NOBAMA we don't want your contraceptive pills th...
(Quote) Mary-486033 said: We aren't the kind of women who can be bought by Obama. NOBAMA we don't want your contraceptive pills that cost $9 a month from Walmart or whatever. And you can't buy our votes by making us sell out our country to socialism. And, seriously, you can keep your Obamaphone. That won't get our vote, either. www.youtube.com
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Need to add....Most importantly, we aren't the kind of women to vote for someone like Obama...who radically promotes the murder of innocent little babies in the wombs of their mothers as "health care" or a "women's reproductive rights".

Mr. Obama, this is NOT "reproductive health care"! This is murder! www.abortionno.org

Obama Facts On Life - www.obamafactsonlife.com

Just a part of Obama's Pro-Abortion Record - www.lifenews.com
Oct 20th 2012 new

(Quote) Mary-486033 said: Issa formally notifies Sebelius of intent to issue subpoena for ObamaCare documents
(Quote) Mary-486033 said:

Issa formally notifies Sebelius of intent to issue subpoena for ObamaCare documents

See video and read more: www.foxnews.com
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The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them. - Patrick Henry


It's about time the hidden material starts to see the light of day!!!

Oct 20th 2012 new
(Quote) Victor-544727 said: The more we learn about this law that was conceived in a backroom deal among the Democrats, rammed through Con...
(Quote) Victor-544727 said:

The more we learn about this law that was conceived in a backroom deal among the Democrats, rammed through Congress without as much as a debate, and signed into law despite the protests of the citizenry at-large, it is becoming more and more apparent why it all went down the way that it did.




At any rate, if Obama is re-elected and Harry Reid stays as Majority Leader in the Senate, this is just a sample of what we have to look forward to...







- The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally (p. 50, sec. 152).

- The government will have real-time access to an individual's bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts (pp. 58-59).




- The plan will be subsidized (by the government/us) for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now - ACORN). (p. 65, sec. 164).

- Doctors will all be paid the same regardless of specialty, and the government will set all doctors' fees (pp. 241, 253).

- Cancer hospital will ration care according to the patient's age. Those over 75 are not eligible for cancer treatment (pp. 272, sec. 1145).

- The government will impose a prohibition on hospital expansion; however, communities may petition for an exception (pp. 317, 321).

- The government mandates advance-care planning consultations. Those on Social Security will be required to attend an "end-of-life planning" (death counseling) seminar every five years (pp. 425; 4-12).

- The government will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order (pp. 429; 13-25).



This just covers the first 429 pages of the massive 2,900 pages of this new law. Of course, Congress, who created this law, have also managed to exempt themselves from the provisions contained in it, but that's nothing new!


So, the question is, what else are we about to learn over time concerning this law?


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I still gag every time I think of Pelosi's famous line, "We have to pass the bill so we (the Senate) can see what it says."
Oct 20th 2012 new

(Quote) Paul-850415 said: I still gag every time I think of Pelosi's famous line, "We have to pass the bill so we ...
(Quote) Paul-850415 said:

I still gag every time I think of Pelosi's famous line, "We have to pass the bill so we (the Senate) can see what it says."
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Pelosi is a member of the House of Representatives, not the Seante. At the time she was Speaker of the House. Otherwise the quote is accurate.

Of course, she now claims she has read (and I presume now understands) every word. which is as likely as it is that I will be taking the oath of Office as President come January.

Oct 20th 2012 new
(Quote) Dan-258484 said: Our current system is Neanderthal ... and twenty percent of out economy. We can do better. It is all about us! ...
(Quote) Dan-258484 said:

Our current system is Neanderthal ... and twenty percent of out economy. We can do better. It is all about us!

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Our current system isn't perfect (nothing and no one is), but IT IS THE BEST ONE IN THE WORLD!!!!!!
Oct 20th 2012 new

I like how Paul Ryan takes apart Obama Care in 6 minutes in this video below. He focuses on the money side of it (though knowing him now, he has a lot to say about the moral side of it)

youtu.be

Oct 20th 2012 new

(Quote) Molly-236515 said: I like how Paul Ryan takes apart Obama Care in 6 minutes in this video below. He focuses on the m...
(Quote) Molly-236515 said:

I like how Paul Ryan takes apart Obama Care in 6 minutes in this video below. He focuses on the money side of it (though knowing him now, he has a lot to say about the moral side of it)

youtu.be

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Thanks for sharing Molly. thumbsup And Happy Birthday!!! Happy Birthday!

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